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Xbox Live is kind of huge!!!! Next gen they need to be the one who is ahead and not playing catch up like they did with PSN this gen. But really I do want a quality system.



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Fumanchu said:
ultraslick said:

I assume you are talking about sales?

I hope it isnt actually. With the emergence of Casual gamers, for Sony to be in 1st place next gen they will have to produce a console without any passion or spirit to what currently makes them SOny.

Whether or not it is true at all times, Sony products have always been first produced with the idea that they were on the cutting edge of technology.

This is Sony, this is how consumers recognize the company, and Sony wants it this way.

They just need to find a way to blend the 2 concepts of being the best, (which I would argue they currently are) with selling the most.

This means they just need to try and keep the cost down while remaining on the technological edge (this doesnt just mean graphics) and this will not be easy.

Im sure they have a plan in place already, but will not launch at $600 like last time, but wait until the tech is more reasonable for the consumer.

 

I would say that’s a short-term memory plaudit.  This is the first generation that a Sony console can lay stake to that claim.  Did you have the same passion for Microsoft with the Xbox last generation, or Nintendo with the N64 the generation before that?

Their previous success has nothing to do with an “idea of being on the cutting edge of technology.” They achieved the dominant marketshare and reaped the rewards of third-party exclusivity.

actually not true, ps2 actually was the most powerful console when it released and it was a time where it graphical power surpassed average pc of the time by a mile.

but that changed quickly gpu got stronger and cheaper fast, gamecube and xbox released a year? after it.



Xoj said:
Fumanchu said:
ultraslick said:

I assume you are talking about sales?

I hope it isnt actually. With the emergence of Casual gamers, for Sony to be in 1st place next gen they will have to produce a console without any passion or spirit to what currently makes them SOny.

Whether or not it is true at all times, Sony products have always been first produced with the idea that they were on the cutting edge of technology.

This is Sony, this is how consumers recognize the company, and Sony wants it this way.

They just need to find a way to blend the 2 concepts of being the best, (which I would argue they currently are) with selling the most.

This means they just need to try and keep the cost down while remaining on the technological edge (this doesnt just mean graphics) and this will not be easy.

Im sure they have a plan in place already, but will not launch at $600 like last time, but wait until the tech is more reasonable for the consumer.

 

I would say that’s a short-term memory plaudit.  This is the first generation that a Sony console can lay stake to that claim.  Did you have the same passion for Microsoft with the Xbox last generation, or Nintendo with the N64 the generation before that?

Their previous success has nothing to do with an “idea of being on the cutting edge of technology.” They achieved the dominant marketshare and reaped the rewards of third-party exclusivity.

actually not true, ps2 actually was the most powerful console when it released and it was a time where it graphical power surpassed average pc of the time by a mile.

but that changed quickly gpu got stronger and cheaper fast, gamecube and xbox released a year? after it.

Isn't everything relative to competition? And not 1 year?



I think Nintendo's successor to the Wii will be the clear and away winner next gen, though I believe Sony will have the opportunity to pull a very respectable second place. 

Given the current state of the Wii, Nintendo has the potential to launch first with a "Wii HD" that is similar in power or somewhat more powerful than the ps3/360 at a very affordable price.  This will give them far better third party support than they had this gen, given they'll probably get both ps3/360 ports and the initial batch of new titles being developed for next gen consoles, much like Microsoft managed to get titles like Oblivion timed exclusive to their console this generation, simply because they were the only console around for that crucial first year.  All that in addition to Nintendo's offerings should lead to an excellent software line up that few could pass up.  It could be the DS of consoles. 

However, I think Sony is in a position to do very well next generation.  The most obvious problem they faced this generation was their high pricing, something that shouldn't be an issue next gen.  Even if they choose to go bleeding edge, they'll most likely stick with Blu-ray and Cell technology, both of which will not suffer from the cost/yield issues they were plagued with in their infancy.  This gen has also probably convinced developers that even if Sony stumbles out of the gate, it'd be an incredibly bad idea to ignore their platform, which should help ensure support from the getgo.  Especially Japanese developers.

These are the main reasons I think the ps4 can do quite well for itself:

  • A headstart in many newer markets. 

    Much like WilliamWatts pointed out above, the PlayStation brand is basically the only brand that exists in many of the world's developing markets.  The ps3 is currently the best selling current gen console by a decent margin in the UAE, for example.  These markets have more growth potential than any of the current major markets, and should mature and become a large chunk of the worldwide market over time. Sony will have a headstart in these areas, much like they had a headstart in most of mainland Europe thanks to the ps1, a region which is now the ps3's largest market.

  • Extensive Japanese development support. 

    While I think many Western developers will finally give the Wii2 the support it deserves, I think Japanese developers will be feign to bet on a non-Sony console (handhelds are another matter).  They were quick to jump ship after the ps3's questionable performance at launch, but almost all have returned. 

    Since the announcement of Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Graces, and Dragon Quest X, there hasn't been a single major announcement for the Wii in Japan, despite the Wii being the best selling console at the moment.  Over that time period, Capcom's Sangoku Basara 3 has gone on to see sales 5:1 in favor of PS3, Tales of Graces has been ported to PS3, and Square Enix has announced titles such as Final Fantasy XIV for PS3. Namco stands out the most, given they've gone from providing exclusive Tales games to both of the ps3's major competitors, to eventually porting both to Sony's box, and all future Tales titles they've announced are for either PS3 or PSP, implying they believe that's where the Tale's fanbsse resides.

    Most Japanese developers realized pretty quickly their abandonment of the ps3 was quite pre-mature, and I don't think they'll be willing to take too many chances on something other than the ps4 as a result.

  • A stronger first party. 

    Since the formation of SCE Worldwide Studios back in 2005, Sony has done a great job in increasing both the size and notoriety of their first party offerings.  Most notably, they've gone from having only two system selling franchises to having several, now including Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet.

  • A more robust PlayStation Network. 

    A fully featured PSN spread across PS3, PSP2, and PS4 will be a significant selling point for anybody interested in getting a next gen console who already owns another PlayStation device.  Whether it's Trophies, games you own via the PSN, or simply wanting to chat with your PSN buddies, both PS4 and PSP2 will incorporate and add to this experience.

  • Full BC for PS1/2/3. 

    You can expect PS2 software emulation to appear eventually, and assuming the PS4 is based on Cell, it's unlikely the console won't also support PS3 playback.  This will make the machine compatible with like 10,000 games, which should provide a compelling reason for anybody who has previously owned a PlayStation console to go with a PS4.

As for a PSP2, I think it'll be more popular amongst the hardcore ps3/ps4 gamer, thanks to improved PSN access, the probable ability to play things like the upcoming ps2 classics, and other improvements that'll make it an excellent companion to Sony's home consoles than the PSP could ever hope to be, but less popular amongst the larger gaming market, given the lackluster support of the PSP that has most likely left a bad taste in most people's mouths.  Overall success could go either way, but I think it'll do fairly well.



dunno001 said:

Hrm... sorry, but I don't think it's going to be. I'll start off by stating that each company has its dedicated fans that won't waffle away, but that's a relatively small group for each of them. I'll break down the systems, though-

PS4: I've heard people ask why it costs so much, even recently, among some in the non-gaming public. Sony, in 1 gen, has gotten the Playstation brand to be considered an overpowered brand that is overpriced to boot. Continuing this trend will keep the cost prohibitively expensive. Conversely, if they drop the power, they'd be too dependant on Microsoft not going for power, lest they (Sony) lose their powerful edge to those who got it for being a powerful system. Plus, they've lost the benefit of being the leader from the prior gen, so those who get the system expecting it to take off will be less likely to consider it; this includes some 3rd party developers. And with less games being made, it'll just make getting first that much tougher.

PSP2: The biggest problem I think Sony is having here, and is still having, is the portable part. Rather than making things better suited for a portable gaming experience, it's being touted as a mini-Playstation, with full games to take on the go. Sounds good on paper, but the technophiles would rather have the game on their huge setup, and a fair amount of the portable market needs to be able to play a bit and stop. The PSP is more competition than Nintendo has had to the portables in over 15 years. But until they understand that there is a different market, they won't have a chance at taking first here. If they do, it'll come closer than the PSP did, but it will be too late, and a fair bit of 3rd party support will already be in 3DS mode...

This may be the case in the West, but I don't believe this will be the case in Japan.  If anything, this gen has probably ensured third party support for Sony's future consoles.

Sony enjoyed the lion's share of Japanese third party support in the past thanks to the success of the ps1/2.  Because those consoles enjoyed such incredible sales, every Japanese developer of note was working with that hardware, for the most part exclusively.

But they only bothered with those platforms because they were such far and away successes.  When the ps3 arrived, its rocky start scared most publishers away.  The developers that so vigorously supported the ps1/2 either made their games multiplat or straight up switched platforms.    All this did was split up the incredibly centralized and unified market Japan once enjoyed.  The hardcore gamers that were all buying games for ps1/2 were suddenly being drawn to three different consoles, whether it was for Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Vesperia, or Final Fantasy XIII.  Yet despite this - despite the ps3's weak initial sales, the Wii's incredible install base, and a confused marketplace compared to last generation - the ps3 is still the clear and away winner in third party sales.  The sales of Tales of Vesperia and Sengoku Basara 3 show this to be the case.

I don't think Japanese publishers will be so quick to take risks on non-Sony consoles next-gen, unless they're aiming for the Western market, in which case they'll simply make their titles multiplat.

I agree with much of what you've said about the PSP2.  I actually made a thread about that awhile back.  The PSP suffers from having too many console ports and too few legitimite handheld games.  I'm a PSP owner, and I'd much rather play God of War II or God of War III with a normal controller on my tv than play Chains of Olympus on that tiny little screen with one analog nub.  On the other hand, Nintendo really gets handheld gaming, and even when they bring a console franchise to their handheld, they rework such games heavily to better fit the handheld's capabilities.  The Legend of Zelda is probably the most notable example here.



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@MM476: That was a cocky post. Im surprised you dared to write that much given the fact that Vgchartz likes to eat long, thought out posts...



Tease.

IMO it won't.



 

 

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IMO it won't, but it needs to be cheap, the PS brand name and good 1st party exclusives




Squilliam said:

@MM476: That was a cocky post. Im surprised you dared to write that much given the fact that Vgchartz likes to eat long, thought out posts...


Eh, I've got absolutely nothing to do at the moment.  Might as well make my posts count.  ^_^



Commentators are bringing up the Japanese market and 2nd world countries as a major reason for Sony's success.

I have a question: In terms of total console sales and total software sales, how large (percentage please) is Japan and the 2nd world countries market in comparison to the United States of America and Canada?

If the Japanese and 2nd world markets are not even half as big as the US and Canada market, then why would it make business sense to spend resources catering to them as opposed to US and Canada market?