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- added link to reuters article and a couple excerpts which gives the dead israelis locations and their reason for adjusting the trees size.

 

zgamer the articles contain information from the israelis, lebanese, and unifil.  if you are incapable or unwilling to actually read articles simply because they come from a "western" source, then would you kindly not enter anymore of my threads.  even the parts that i posted contain a statement from the lebanese military.



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MrBubbles said:

there is no camera and there was no violation of lebanese territory.  there is photographic proof of this, you can see the israelis and the tree in the photographs i showed. [...] which unifil acknowledged there was no violation.

"Photographic proof" ? The pictures show soldiers and trees, but how does that proof anything? That the whole incident had to do with Israeli forces and a tree has been confirmed by both sides. The only question is on which side the tree stood, and that's something the picture cannot tell.

And the phrase "unifil acknowledged there was no violation" isn't correct as well. The BBC article says "UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon say they have seen no evidence that Israeli soldiers had crossed into Lebanon". "Not having seen evidence" could mean various things, for example that there were soldiers nearby, but they simply didn't see the actual chopping of the questionable tree.

As far as I understood, the UN has started to investigate which side the tree was on etc. I will wait for what they say before I really make up my final opinion on this incident.

MrBubbles said:

and yes, i know how the israelis forced hezbollah to sneak across the border and abduct israeli soldiers.  its terrible how israel forces your terrorist friends to do things like that just so they can satisfy their bloodlust.

If I were an admin of this website, I would ban both you and zgamer5 at least for a few days.

zgamer5's because of the "idiots"-phrase, but what you've written is actually much worse.

EDIT: I've just seen you've already edited your posting. Got scared?



unifil was in the area during the tree adjustments.  they were notified in advance.  the statement came after the skirmishes.  so there wasnt any then, because they were there and there wasnt any crossings during the fighting that they know of(because they cant be everywhere on the border and would have to see evidence of that).



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i re read his posts and they seemed to be less supportive of hezbollah than the original impression i got from them.  of course since he is supporting lebanon and since hezbollah( a terrorist organization) had veto power over the government last i saw...



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starcraft said:
Mr Khan said:

You generally don't figure on Lebanon really having an army, given that the Hezbollah war was against Hezbollah (though Lebanon could have gone straight to Syria and started something, but they're in a precarious position with them, too), and Lebanon didn't really do much.

 

These border incidents don't help matters. Lebanon should have acted with more restraint, though we know how much respect Israel has for other countries' borders (given their illegal occupation of a chunk of Syria for some time now)

I assume you mean the Golan Heights?

Given Syria's behaviour over the last few decades, the way those lands came into Israeli posession, and the proclivity it's people have towards their (relatively) newfound freedom under the Israeli regime, calling it an illegal occupation is a VERY long bow to draw.

 

I am hardly someone that could be called Pro-Israel, but that was a pretty crap example.

Stick with half of Jerusulem.

As anti-Israel as i am, i would call their ownership of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip legal, given that as much as they want to be, the Palestinians aren't a country yet. Syria very much is, and however beneficial it may be, it definitely is a cross-border occupation, and hence illegal

That's just my line of thinking. Despite my dislike for Israel, i won't recognize Palestine until the UN does. Same with Kosovo and the handful of other such territories round the world



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MrBubbles said:

i re read his posts and they seemed to be less supportive of hezbollah than the original impression i got from them.  of course since he is supporting lebanon and since hezbollah( a terrorist organization) had veto power over the government last i saw...


Of all the militant groups in that region, there are far more Israeli settler groups that fit the definition of a terrorist than Hezbollah. Its just that western media doesn't focus on the daily activities of these other extremists.

As for 'his' comments, yeah he is obviously wrong in this case as it was simply a mistake on the part of probably young soldiers with bloody results. Unfortunate, but this is a really aweful scenario to begin with.



Mr Khan said:
starcraft said:
Mr Khan said:

You generally don't figure on Lebanon really having an army, given that the Hezbollah war was against Hezbollah (though Lebanon could have gone straight to Syria and started something, but they're in a precarious position with them, too), and Lebanon didn't really do much.

 

These border incidents don't help matters. Lebanon should have acted with more restraint, though we know how much respect Israel has for other countries' borders (given their illegal occupation of a chunk of Syria for some time now)

I assume you mean the Golan Heights?

Given Syria's behaviour over the last few decades, the way those lands came into Israeli posession, and the proclivity it's people have towards their (relatively) newfound freedom under the Israeli regime, calling it an illegal occupation is a VERY long bow to draw.

 

I am hardly someone that could be called Pro-Israel, but that was a pretty crap example.

Stick with half of Jerusulem.

As anti-Israel as i am, i would call their ownership of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip legal, given that as much as they want to be, the Palestinians aren't a country yet. Syria very much is, and however beneficial it may be, it definitely is a cross-border occupation, and hence illegal

That's just my line of thinking. Despite my dislike for Israel, i won't recognize Palestine until the UN does. Same with Kosovo and the handful of other such territories round the world

According to international laws of war no land an be taken by war and therefore all of these territories are by definition, occupied regions that should have been returned years ago. I can understand why they weren't originally, but this is 40 years after the fact and the conditions today are drastically different. Isreal could offer a full retreat and get full peace, but they simply don't want to give up the land due to their own extreamist views.



Lebanon attacks Israel? No. Not true from what Ive heard.

Israel were cutting down a tree on Lebanese land, so they could see into Lebanon... The Lebanese soldiers fired warning shots... THEN the fighting broke out.

Israel brought a tank and air support in.

 

And is it just me, or are Israel involved in more fighting than any other country lately? We should invade them instead of the countries like Iraq.



                            

This is not acceptable Israel managed its own border, within its border. Israel should retaliate hard.



That's why I don't like trees, now.  Total instigators.  They're cock teases, too.