LOL you put down a self initiated, Arab brokered real deal that was in no way brought on by any western nation as somehow dishonest and for the West? Wow, that shows your biased. Also, who brought Iran into this? The Arab league doesn't even include Iran.

Plus, there is just as much hate in Israel towards the Arabs as there is the other way around. Difference is many of these Arab countries dont' rely on the people's votes, therefore if their monarchs make peace, they have no choice.

It was a sincere offer that has mirrored the voice of even the Palestinians for over a decade now, but Israel didn't even consider it because they want land more than they want peace.

Arabs know that if refugees and their children are allowed back to Israel then Israel as a Jewish state will cease to exist. Thus mission accomplished.

So that's not a peace deal. The Arab nations could have offered it in 1948 but it's far too late to come with such utterly stupid propositions now.

Back to Green Line yes, refugees and their children no. That's the terms today.

Actually the deal proposed by Saudi Arabia didn't include right of return to Israeli territory but full peace deal and normalisation of relations with the entire Arab and Islamic world if it returns to pre 1967 borders. Settlements in occupied territories would have to go. But Israel won't give up the West Bank so it's unlikely to happen.

On another note isn't Israel meant to be a secular democracy which means it's existence as a Jewish state is quite contrary to those ideals.

Actually Syria has offered to normalise relations if they get the Golan Heights back and Iran has said they will go with whatever the Palestinians want, in fact Iran offered to normalise relations with Israel if they return to pre 1967 borders. Iran and Syria do however support resistence forces in occupied lands which has angered Israel and the US.

Its not the point that the Arab offer included full return, the point is Israel didn't even consider it or at least come to the table. If Israel had any intention of wanting peace for the region more than controlling the land, they would have come to the table and offered a counter proposal.

They should have been receptive to the idea of FULL peace with EVERY neighbor and at least tried to negotiate the deal. Your Israel doesn't want refugees or green line, they want continued bloodshed and eventual control over the whole land.

Well you're right that a proposal can be discussed and negotiated. Obviously the Arab nations won't come with a proposal that Israel will just accept withouth modifications. It's the nature of negotiations, you start from different views and compromise.

But Israel has had peace with Egypt and Jordan for some time so obviously they know that you can make peace with Arab states without even drawing back to the Green Line. Just delete the stupid return of refugees demand and the negotiations can start from there. Refugees will never ever be allowed into Israel and Israel wont compensate them financially either. Arabs caused the refugee problem by attacking so it's their problem to handle. Israel shouldn't suffer because of it.

Then we have the Jerusalem issue of course. It's in Israels interest to stall so they can surround East Jerusalem and make it impossible for it to become a future Palestinian capital, I fully acknowledge that and of course Israel is acting accordingly. So it's up to the Arabs to come with a better offer or else Israel will keep stalling because they benefit more from it.

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That's incorrect. Of course the deal included the right of return for refugees (including their children) to Israeli territory should the refugees themselves choose it.

Egypt chose peace as they had nothing to gain or lose. Israel wasn't occupying their land and they wanted more $$ from US.

Jordan chose peace with Israel before the '67 war even started. They knew Israel had ambitions to take most of Jordan as well as WB so they felt it was better to give up WB and save their country first. This is why WB fell so quickly and why Jordan had very little losses compared to Syria/Egypt. They sold out.

The refugee problem is Israel's problem. Sure, if no war ever happened they coudl have stayed home, however, in a small time frame before the '48 wars Israeli terrorist groups slaughtered an entire village old testimate style. Every person/animal/farm/etc, this caused a great fear among the Palestinians who at this time were almost entirely farmers with no military capabilities. They would have fled even without a war just as Israel wanted.

Finally, no matter if Israel annexes WB and/or Gaza, Arabs will eventually be the majority again as they just have a far higher birth rate than their Jewish counterparts. So, eventually, Israel won't be a 'Jewish' majority and time is not on Israel's side as you think it is.

I really think Israel will annex WB and then that birthrate feature will just happen a lot sooner (10yrs vs 20), so in the end Jerusalem will be the capital of a Muslim Israel. :)

lol 1 million arabs fled because Israelis slaughtered one village? Crazy talk.

Arab leaders encouraged Arabs to flee for strategical reasons. Bla bla... lots of reasons but the main reasons was simply that Israel won the war and fought off the invaders.

Since you like any Arab or pro-Palestinian obviously firmly believe the refugee problem was Israel's fault, well let's pretend for a moment that it was true (but it isn't). It still doesn't matter. Refugees and their children would be a huge demographical threat and won't be allowed to return no matter who's fault it originally was.

Arabs could or could not be the majority in Israel one day. They're still only 1.5 million versus 5.7 million Jews in Israel. And don't forget the 500-750K ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel, they make even more children per family than the Israeli Arab population and their growth rate is higher. And eventually the orthodox Jews alone might outnumber the Arabs in Israel.

"Only 5% of Israel's population in 1990,[321] the ultra-Orthodox, or Haredim, are expected to represent more than one-fifth of Israel's Jewish population in 2028"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Demographics

1. Arabs fled because of fear of death. For years they watched these two groups become more deadly to both British forces as well as general arab populace. The village of a Deir Yassin lost hundreds to this massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang

2. How can Arabs be the invaders to their own land? Jewish Europeans are the clear invaders.

3. I agree that regardless of the history, Israel can't and won't allow them back to their homes (even though international laws require it).

4. I still think WB will be brought into Israel as even the orthodox Jews want that and then the combined Arab populace will quickly outweigh the Jewish one.