Lebanon Attacks Israel

[Slimebeast]

superchunk said:

Slimebeast said:

 

Well you're right that a proposal can be discussed and negotiated. Obviously the Arab nations won't come with a proposal that Israel will just accept withouth modifications. It's the nature of negotiations, you start from different views and compromise.

But Israel has had peace with Egypt and Jordan for some time so obviously they know that you can make peace with Arab states without even drawing back to the Green Line. Just delete the stupid return of refugees demand and the negotiations can start from there. Refugees will never ever be allowed into Israel and Israel wont compensate them financially either. Arabs caused the refugee problem by attacking so it's their problem to handle. Israel shouldn't suffer because of it.

Then we have the Jerusalem issue of course. It's in Israels interest to stall so they can surround East Jerusalem and make it impossible for it to become a future Palestinian capital, I fully acknowledge that and of course Israel is acting accordingly. So it's up to the Arabs to come with a better offer or else Israel will keep stalling because they benefit more from it.

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Egypt chose peace as they had nothing to gain or lose. Israel wasn't occupying their land and they wanted more $$ from US.

Jordan chose peace with Israel before the '67 war even started. They knew Israel had ambitions to take most of Jordan as well as WB so they felt it was better to give up WB and save their country first. This is why WB fell so quickly and why Jordan had very little losses compared to Syria/Egypt. They sold out.

The refugee problem is Israel's problem. Sure, if no war ever happened they coudl have stayed home, however, in a small time frame before the '48 wars Israeli terrorist groups slaughtered an entire village old testimate style. Every person/animal/farm/etc, this caused a great fear among the Palestinians who at this time were almost entirely farmers with no military capabilities. They would have fled even without a war just as Israel wanted.

Finally, no matter if Israel annexes WB and/or Gaza, Arabs will eventually be the majority again as they just have a far higher birth rate than their Jewish counterparts. So, eventually, Israel won't be a 'Jewish' majority and time is not on Israel's side as you think it is.

I really think Israel will annex WB and then that birthrate feature will just happen a lot sooner (10yrs vs 20), so in the end Jerusalem will be the capital of a Muslim Israel. :)

lol 1 million arabs fled because Israelis slaughtered one village? Crazy talk.

Arab leaders encouraged Arabs to flee for strategical reasons. Bla bla... lots of reasons but the main reasons was simply that Israel won the war and fought off the invaders.

Since you like any Arab or pro-Palestinian obviously firmly believe the refugee problem was Israel's fault, well let's pretend for a moment that it was true (but it isn't). It still doesn't matter. Refugees and their children would be a huge demographical threat and won't be allowed to return no matter who's fault it originally was.

Arabs could or could not be the majority in Israel one day. They're still only 1.5 million versus 5.7 million Jews in Israel. And don't forget the 500-750K ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel, they make even more children per family than the Israeli Arab population and their growth rate is higher. And eventually the orthodox Jews alone might outnumber the Arabs in Israel.

"Only 5% of Israel's population in 1990,[321] the ultra-Orthodox, or Haredim, are expected to represent more than one-fifth of Israel's Jewish population in 2028"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Demographics