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Coca-Cola said:
-ku- said:

Simming through the chat I believe it should be more of a question who quit catholoscism.

Because Christianity is the general belief of Christ and God. I beleive it's this whole western ideal propaganda that is ruininf its own religion. Only Roman Catholic priests are pedophile because they have to devout themselves to god (a rule which they made up). I think other than groups in America and UK most of the world stays devout because they evolved or stayed "orthodox" (right) the past few centuries. We never here any complaints about Mainland european religious leaders and apperently the eastern rite does end up  being the better "rite".

On a side note I'm still Greek CATHOLIC a small denomynation of some 10 million of people of different races world wide but I have refined my views a little and tried to understand the religion Im following, abondonding what you don't really know is a quitter way out. An interesting doc/interview I would reccomend is this 9hr peice called (if you google vid search it).

Interview with an ex-vampire

Hope you'll enjoy.

denominationof 10  million is not small.  My denomination has less than 1 million.

I actually thought about being a Greek Orthodox Priest.  After taking Greek for 2 years, ralized that it was still Greek to me so I decided against being a priest

Another prominant reason for my abandoning Christianity. We make up the goddamn rules. Then people start preaching their personal values to the masses and as a catalyst they add in the idea that you are part of something bigger, you're so special.

I've asked myself wether I am a hypocrite in this respect, as I've long pondered the time I will spend with my future child and the things I will teach him/her. If I simply taught the child my own beliefs I would defeat my own logic. But logic is all I need to teach, I realize. With logic the child will come to his or her own sensible conclusions, using what his or her senses are telling. And perhaps my child will go the way of the Atheist, the religion I subscribe to, the religion of free thinking, logic, science, and human trust.



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Rath said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:


What do you mean "you religious people"?  I am not sure religious people are going to be happy with the state labeling everything "Civil unions".  I proposed the civil union solution as a way to deal with the issue of homosexual marriage without having to change the values of society to redefine what it considers to be marriage, before the issue can be resolved.

Yeah, cause it's very hard to say that marriage is between two people (of either gender) rather than between a man and a woman. SOOOO HAAARD.

Why not just say a marriage is between any number of entities who are legally able to sign contracts?  Why deny polyamorious individuals the right to have more than one spouse?  Do you want to rob them of their happiness?  Care to show how the current safeguards to protect people in marital relationships now will work, such as the dividing up of property when one individual in a marriage to more than one person would work?  How about custody of the children?

Those problems sure are solvable though. It just requires a bit of thinking with how to get it all to work.

I'm fine with polygamous marriage as long as it's entirely consesual, one man multiple wifes or vice-versa.

Not really... for example what if a man (let's call him X)  is married to two women (let's call them A and B), and one of those women (let's say B)  wants to get another husbad (let' call him Y)? How do you propose to solve that issue? What would be the relationship between X and Y? What would be the relationship between A and Y? Would all the parties involved have to give consent for B and Y's marriage?If X decides to divorce would he have to pay alimony to A, B and Y?

The thing about polygamy is that it does work, but in sexist societies, where there is an inequality between genders. For example currently in the world we have polygamy in Islamic countries, but we know that women are discriminated against over there. In Western Society which aims at realising equality for everyone, polygamy would be impossible to implement, but also maintain the fairness and equality we so strive for. In the end it would all come down to group marriages which would be a legal nightmare.

I see nothing wrong or immoral about polygamy with the exception that it can be a very sexist practice.



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sapphi_snake said:
Rath said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:


What do you mean "you religious people"?  I am not sure religious people are going to be happy with the state labeling everything "Civil unions".  I proposed the civil union solution as a way to deal with the issue of homosexual marriage without having to change the values of society to redefine what it considers to be marriage, before the issue can be resolved.

Yeah, cause it's very hard to say that marriage is between two people (of either gender) rather than between a man and a woman. SOOOO HAAARD.

Why not just say a marriage is between any number of entities who are legally able to sign contracts?  Why deny polyamorious individuals the right to have more than one spouse?  Do you want to rob them of their happiness?  Care to show how the current safeguards to protect people in marital relationships now will work, such as the dividing up of property when one individual in a marriage to more than one person would work?  How about custody of the children?

Those problems sure are solvable though. It just requires a bit of thinking with how to get it all to work.

I'm fine with polygamous marriage as long as it's entirely consesual, one man multiple wifes or vice-versa.

Not really... for example what if a man (let's call him X)  is married to two women (let's call them A and B), and one of those women (let's say B)  wants to get another husbad (let' call him Y)? How do you propose to solve that issue? What would be the relationship between X and Y? What would be the relationship between A and Y? Would all the parties involved have to give consent for B and Y's marriage?If X decides to divorce would he have to pay alimony to A, B and Y?

The thing about polygamy is that it does work, but in sexist societies, where there is an inequality between genders. For example currently in the world we have polygamy in Islamic countries, but we know that women are discriminated against over there. In Western Society which aims at realising equality for everyone, polygamy would be impossible to implement, but also maintain the fairness and equality we so strive for. In the end it would all come down to group marriages which would be a legal nightmare.

I see nothing wrong or immoral about polygamy with the exception that it can be a very sexist practice.

I agree polygamy can be sexist. But to be fair, so can monogamy.

Also I don't see how the situations you are posting wouldn't be solvable under rewritten laws for marriage, divorce and alimony.



@ Rath

Well, if when same-sex marriage will be legal, monogamy will no longer be sexist (still a long time 'till that happens in my country).

I have no objections to polygamy if it's implemented well (I still think it would be a legal nightmare which would be very hard to get out of). Anyway I'm not sure popular opinion would have any weight in this issue (it being about people's rights and all).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

kowhoho said:
Coca-Cola said:
-ku- said:

Simming through the chat I believe it should be more of a question who quit catholoscism.

Because Christianity is the general belief of Christ and God. I beleive it's this whole western ideal propaganda that is ruininf its own religion. Only Roman Catholic priests are pedophile because they have to devout themselves to god (a rule which they made up). I think other than groups in America and UK most of the world stays devout because they evolved or stayed "orthodox" (right) the past few centuries. We never here any complaints about Mainland european religious leaders and apperently the eastern rite does end up  being the better "rite".

On a side note I'm still Greek CATHOLIC a small denomynation of some 10 million of people of different races world wide but I have refined my views a little and tried to understand the religion Im following, abondonding what you don't really know is a quitter way out. An interesting doc/interview I would reccomend is this 9hr peice called (if you google vid search it).

Interview with an ex-vampire

Hope you'll enjoy.

denominationof 10  million is not small.  My denomination has less than 1 million.

I actually thought about being a Greek Orthodox Priest.  After taking Greek for 2 years, ralized that it was still Greek to me so I decided against being a priest

Another prominant reason for my abandoning Christianity. We make up the goddamn rules. Then people start preaching their personal values to the masses and as a catalyst they add in the idea that you are part of something bigger, you're so special.

I've asked myself wether I am a hypocrite in this respect, as I've long pondered the time I will spend with my future child and the things I will teach him/her. If I simply taught the child my own beliefs I would defeat my own logic. But logic is all I need to teach, I realize. With logic the child will come to his or her own sensible conclusions, using what his or her senses are telling. And perhaps my child will go the way of the Atheist, the religion I subscribe to, the religion of free thinking, logic, science, and human trust.

I agree that Christianity has too many rules.  It's kinda ironic because Christianity was formed to rebel against laws and the requirements of em, but now I think Christianity has more rules than Judaism. 

I raised my kids with the morals and values given in Scripture, but I warn them about the rules of the religion.  I think that's very helpful.  I allow them to study other religions if they want and even attend other fundamental religious events.  I always remind them that if religious beliefs and rules does not meet the 'common sense' criteria, then don't believe em.  e.g. "only Christians going to heaven" - thankfully my kids don't believe in that.     I mean, did you know that most fundamentalists believe ghandi is in hell?  hahahahahha   yet a murderer in jail who accepts Christ will go to heaven.



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highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:
highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:


Is Buddisam even a religion? I always thought it was a lifestyle. How can people call it religion when there is no higher force or God in it? And i mentioned in my post that i was talking about 3 MAJOR religons ( major as in, they are the most succesful ones trought the world), so hinduisam is not included, since hindus live mostly in India. You might say ''but the only country with the jewish religion is Israel and the population isnt even that big threre'' and yes, that is true but there are a lot more jews outside of Israel than Hindus out of India (correct me if i am wrong on this one)... anyway, i wasnt disagreeing with your post or trying to start a debate, i was just saying that all 3 Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, they just call it diffrently and worhsip him in the other way

Buddhism doesn't subscribe to your God, that's all the information that is required. Whether you define it as a religion or philosophy is irrelevant.

And since when has India not been part of the world? So because the religion has a high population density in one area of the world it can't be considered a world religion? I'm afraid things don't work like that.

Either way it doens't matter, because as I said population sizes don't count for squat when assessing which is the more credible of two God


And Buddisam isnt a relgion, so of course it doesnt subscirbe to my God. Not just my God but any God at all. since why its not a religion .Juddisam is much more spreaded trought the world than hinduisam,  and that all 3 abrahamic religions believe in the same God, thats was my whole point.


Did you understand my post? I'm not interested in debating the definition of religion. You asserted that most people believe in a God, and that God is the same God, just with different stories. I have tried to show in previous posts that this was false for two reasons:

1. Most of the world doesn't subscribe to the Abrahamic God,

2. Population sizes don't count when assessing the credibility of a God's existence objectively.

Now what I've shown is that simply is that number one is valid, as over 3 billion people in the world reject the Abrahamic God. Whether Buddhism is a religion or a philosophy is completely irrelevant to my argument, the bottom line is that they are half a billion people who do not subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

The same with Hinduism. Hinduism counts as over a billion people who reject the idea of the Abrahamic God. Whether they are a worldwide organisation or not doesn't matter, the point is that they don't subscribe to the Abrahamic God. I don't care if Jewish people are spread out worldwide, I'm not interested in debating that as it's completely irrelevant; the fact is that there is vastly more Hindus than Jews.

Either way population sizes wouldn't matter when looking at the credibility of a personal God. Whether it is Yaweh or Thor, the playing field is level.

you said ''most people are atheists to all Gods but one, but some of us just go one God further". I understood that you were talking about religions only because you said '' most people are atheists to all Gods but one'' and buddisam is not a religion so it doesnt fit into a group of people that are atheists to all Gods but one because they dont even have a God to begin with. And plus, i even said i was talking about Abrahamic religions only (which members are in THE MAJORITY in the world btw) so why you brought up the buddisam in the first place is beyond me.

 

I knew i sholdn ask that question.



sapphi_snake said:

@ Rath

Well, if when same-sex marriage will be legal, monogamy will no longer be sexist (still a long time 'till that happens in my country).

 


you should be proud that your country doesnt fall for that ''equal rights'' thing and keeps the tradition between a man and a woman alive :)



pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

@ Rath

Well, if when same-sex marriage will be legal, monogamy will no longer be sexist (still a long time 'till that happens in my country).

 


you should be proud that your country doesnt fall for that ''equal rights'' thing and keeps the tradition between a man and a woman alive :)

I'm ashamed of my country for being so homophobic. And I find you to be extremely disgusting for what you said.



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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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I only stopped following Catholic moral about sex, I simply can't believe God would enjoy depriving his creatures of a natural, simple and harmless pleasure (that he created BTW), but I still think it's right in most other fields.



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pizzahut451 said:
highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:

And Buddisam isnt a relgion, so of course it doesnt subscirbe to my God. Not just my God but any God at all. since why its not a religion .Juddisam is much more spreaded trought the world than hinduisam,  and that all 3 abrahamic religions believe in the same God, thats was my whole point.


Did you understand my post? I'm not interested in debating the definition of religion. You asserted that most people believe in a God, and that God is the same God, just with different stories. I have tried to show in previous posts that this was false for two reasons:

1. Most of the world doesn't subscribe to the Abrahamic God,

2. Population sizes don't count when assessing the credibility of a God's existence objectively.

Now what I've shown is that simply is that number one is valid, as over 3 billion people in the world reject the Abrahamic God. Whether Buddhism is a religion or a philosophy is completely irrelevant to my argument, the bottom line is that they are half a billion people who do not subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

The same with Hinduism. Hinduism counts as over a billion people who reject the idea of the Abrahamic God. Whether they are a worldwide organisation or not doesn't matter, the point is that they don't subscribe to the Abrahamic God. I don't care if Jewish people are spread out worldwide, I'm not interested in debating that as it's completely irrelevant; the fact is that there is vastly more Hindus than Jews.

Either way population sizes wouldn't matter when looking at the credibility of a personal God. Whether it is Yaweh or Thor, the playing field is level.

you said ''most people are atheists to all Gods but one, but some of us just go one God further". I understood that you were talking about religions only because you said '' most people are atheists to all Gods but one'' and buddisam is not a religion so it doesnt fit into a group of people that are atheists to all Gods but one because they dont even have a God to begin with. And plus, i even said i was talking about Abrahamic religions only (which members are in THE MAJORITY in the world btw) so why you brought up the buddisam in the first place is beyond me.

 

I knew i sholdn ask that question.

That quote is actually a famous quote from Richard Dawkins, and I used it because it illustrates well one of the reasons that I am an atheist, it's not supposed to be taken a literally as that, I can apply the same quote to people who have many Gods. There are a lot of personal God(s) that people claim exist, I just don't think a personal God is worth believing in. Even so your claim after this was "But all people believe in the same God. (im talking about 3 major non-pagan religions) They just have diffrent cultures and diffrent book and worhsip him in the other way."

Now I showed two things to counter this point...

1. Not every non-pagan believes in the Abrahamic God, in fact many of them don't in the order of billions. This contradicts your use of the word "all", and saying that only the 3 Abrahamic religions count doesn't add anything I'm afraid as the world of non-pagans extends way past these.

2. Population sizes don't matter anyway. I can have 99% of the world accept something, but it doesn't make it correct. It may supersede my first point, but it's true.

Now you seem to be obsessing over making me define what a religion is, even though it does not effect my argument in anyway . I keep repeating myself now, but whether Buddhism is a religion or not it doesn't matter because it is still half a billion non-pagans who don't subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

Even so, let's get down to the bottom line of my point. What makes the Abrahamic God more valid than all other Gods?