I have some relatives living in Orlando that cleanses hotels and that kind of thing. They hire every kind of people to work, depending on the availability. When you get some finnish or german students doing cultural exchange programs, or even brazilians like us, all right and well. When you have to count on mexican or haitians... not good at all.

Having lived in the USA for some months (long holidays after managing to join university) I can safely say that the majority of mexicans and haitians and nigerians etc. etc. going to the USA are part of the "scum" in their countries, so to speak.

There is a condominium here in Orlando not far from where my relatives live that we know as the "dutch condominium" (mainly dark-skinned people there and we don't want to sound racist calling it something else). It is a few shots per night dude. Real bad stuff dudes.

If they want immigration then do a fucking migration program for qualified and decent people instead of accepting these shady folks from Africa and Mexico god damn it. 

Fine, then revise the law. But for the Federal Government to chose just not to enforce a law, and instead allow this is just the most messed up thing I have seen.

We have 100,000 people fighting in Afganistan because 3,000 Americans were killed in the US 10 years ago from attacks (6,000 people, but only 3,000 of them were Americans).

Over 2,000 murders happen in the US each year from illegal immigrants. They commit 130,000 sex crimes each year, and the Federal Government does nothing.

How can those numbers be ok with you? Because a portion of illegal immigrants are good people, we should not stop this from happening? A percentage of people who rob liquor stores use the money for respectable reasons (feed there families). Should we stop prosecuting everyone who robs a liquor store because we might catch the good ones?

The logic in all this is just so fucked up.

Your post (the OP) actually made me somewhat angry.Your broad generalisation of these people as being immoral is somewhat offensive to me.

When you consider that these people are risking their lives to survive on the absolute minimum of what the USA offers is an indication of what they are leaving behind. For the most part illegals are just people seeking a better life, especially for their children, than the one they were leaving behind. You're speaking from a position of privelege casting down judgement in my opinion.

Also your post almost entirely relies on a flawed premise. Illegality does not mean immorality. Breaching the immigration laws of the USA does not automatically make these people any less moral in my opinion.

"As for "exporting the American Dream."  How exactly does the US do this?   Because other countries like American TV and Movies?  If people want that lifestyle... shouldn't they try and change their countries into said lifestyle?"

Are you kidding me Kasz? How the hell is a poor worker from Mexico meant to change their country into a first world economy? For the vast majority of people in the world there is actually no way to acheive that lifestyle, you can't make it if you try.

You seem to be coming from a position of caring. How about caring about the 2,000 people that will be murdered in the next 12 months, because there government failed them. How about the 130,000 people who will be sexually offended because there country failed them.

Are they not worthy of your compassion? Do they not have a voice? Most of them are poor and minorities too, if that makes it easier for you.

I have used this analogy in many ways now in this thread, and I have yet to have anyone challenge me on it... I will use it again...

If 95% of the people who broke into your home, somehow left with both parties improved (yours and theres), and the other 5% raped or murdered people, should we stop prosecuting breaking and entering?

Funny how when I put it that way, no one seems to want to say "yes", and illegal immigration is the exact same thing.

I guess this thread pretty much goes for me for hating on the arizona law....

I think it's foolish to be "for" illegal immigration. On the other hand, WE'RE the ones who allowed it to come to this. Cheap labor and turning a blind eye was the motto of the past 30 years. Now that it's come to this, the pendulum is swinging too far the other way (eg. Arizona).

This isn't about Mexicans and whether they're good or bad. They come from a shit country (it really is) and want a better life here. I can't blame them for I'd do the same thing if put into a spot where I couldn't enter the US legally.

What we need is rational discussion about this, not more finger-pointing at Mexicans, the US Federal Government, or whomever else is the guilty party this Tuesday. And the last thing we sure as shit need is more people screaming "RACIST!" (sic) instead of actually talking over the issues that led to this situation and how to resolve it.

Hmm sadly it is not that easy like you portray it....many illegals see it as an only option.  And it sound very harsh to call every illegal an criminal.  Be gay in Iran as an example;..Go illegal to USA and then he meet someone like you who call illegals criminals :s.  Basically saying;..'well if you were not gay, you had not to flee from Iran'  But you are so you end up as an criminal so it is your own fault'.

Maybe USA should spend less time stopping mexicans become illegals in USA but spend more time in stopping mexicans in wanting to become illegals? (An question mark cause I have no idea how the relations are between M and Usa).  Helping to stop drugdealers? Invest in companies close to the borders where Mexicans can work for a better loan than they have in Mexico? ( Go in an guarded bus at the boarder who takes the workers to an guarded company)? Etc;..

I've just snook on to VGChartz at Uni, so I haven't read the thread and I'm going to be brief.

First off, all people should be judged on their individual merit... Just sayin'.

But yes, statistically you are more likely to be a criminal if you are an illegal immigrant (where as I imagine the legal immigrant to existing population criminal ratio is roughly the same.). I think that the reason would be to do with how desperate the person is.

Desperation is one of the main causes for crime and also one of the main causes for wanting to leave a country, I don't think that it is mere coincidence that many illegals are also criminals. They are forced into committing crimes in their own country because they haven't got enough food or money, which can cause them to become thieves or dealers (or whatever else to get by). This need to provide in an environment which makes it hard would also force you to seek out a new place to go on the hope that it may be more prosperous, and this can lead to wanting to migrate illegally when legal migration isn't an option.

What??? What are you talkin' about here?

Did I ever say that illegal immigration isn't a problem?

I believe it really is a problem the USA has to deal with. I just think that saying all illegal immigrants are immoral is offensive and completely lacking in compassion.