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ivanpgcs on 01 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
ivanpgcs said:
TheSource said:

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SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. 

And where are the sales of these new countries? Are they added to EMEAA? If they are added to EMEAA sales data seems a little low with so many countries.

Most of them aren't tracked at all 

 

therefore I think that it is necessary to increase the PS3 sales data. No sales data does not mean that sales do not exist.



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unknown_soul89 on 01 August 2010
ivanpgcs said:
unknown_soul89 said:
ivanpgcs said:
TheSource said:

...

SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. 

And where are the sales of these new countries? Are they added to EMEAA? If they are added to EMEAA sales data seems a little low with so many countries.

Most of them aren't tracked at all 

 

therefore I think that it is necessary to increase the PS3 sales data. No sales data does not mean that sales do not exist.


I think that is the main problem with this site, they don't count everything just because emeaa says others doesn't mean they track everywhere else in the world, there are alot of places that aren't tracked properly or at all, and ps3 outsells the 360 in those areas 



Xoj on 01 August 2010
Charreaper said:

Even if Sony did overship console units by close to 2 million units, whats the big issue, as we will likewise see a corresponding decline in shipment figures for the next quarter as retailers  clear their excess inventory,so in the end no one is really gaining an advantage


the thing is being for the part year being overshipping it ships even more each quarter, was the same last quarter it should have by NOW.



nanarchy on 01 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
TheSource said:

Two things...

1) I don't see a typo in that paragraph. Am I going blind?

2) Brett and I don't really buy the PS3 shortages. Sony (John Koller I think it was) has said "supply would be tight" - but thats really a shortage, its slightly different. I say that mainly because Sony (in this case) / Microsoft don't always provide the models people want to buy and end up overstocking the models people don't want. Looking back, when the Wii has had shortages, it seems to be more that Nintendo didn't want demand to fall off a cliff and supplied only enough volume to keep pace steady.

SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. Worldwide you have something like -

USA - X360 > PS3

Canada - X360 > PS3

Mexico - X360 > PS3

UK - X360 > PS3

Australia - X360 > PS3

Scandanavia - X360 > PS3

Pretty much every other country that buys video games in the world though appears to favor PS3 over X360. For big markets, that wouldn't be enough - USA Canada Mexico UK Aust Scandanavia is 55% or so of the market - with mainland Europe, South Korea and Japan and a few other favoring PS3, but those small little markets that Sony taps or will tap are in rapidly developing / growing countries and so that 55% slips a bit each year.

The other thing is, the X360 software market, if you compare our 2008 to 2009 figures, and even the hardware market has also been flat / declining slightly while PS3 is still growing a bit. My guess is retailers are willing to gamble more on the growing market and less so on the shrinking market, unless its still massively bigger.

The truth is alot of publishers are already struggling on the current machines even as the bases continue to grow, and so right about when PS3 reaches a point where it can't / forever overtakes X360, the next generation should be arriving - and HD / Wii support will beging vanishing.

If you compare 2009 to 2008 the following publishers sold less games on Wii, X360 and PS3.

Wii 2008 SW > 2009 - Take Two, Konami, Sega, Nintendo

PS3 2008 SW > 2009 - Take Two, Ubisoft, Sega, Konami

X360 2008 SW > 2009 - Microsoft, Ubisoft, Take Two, Sega, Konami

Its great if Sony / Microsoft don't want to release new systems until 2013 or whatever but more than a couple publishers are already losing out and the trend is continuing into 2010 - so the era of exclusivity is over and like I said in the piece publishers basically see PS3 / X360 as on par with each other now. Even EA / Activision look like they may have trouble meeting their 2009 SW sales on PS3 / X360 / Wii. The only publishers who really look better off than last year are Ubisoft (Wii strength), Take Two (Red Dead), and Square-Enix (FFXIII) on the console side and so I'd imagine the chorus calls for new systems will get stronger shortly.

Where are you getting your numbers for Canada, UK and Australia because I'm not convinced 360 sells more in those areas, and if you say NPD for Canada just take it off, because I know they don't track Canada properly 

Can't comment on the others but those numbers are definitely correct for Australia. 360 has maintained the lead here since its release. think current numbers are aroun 1 million 360's to 800k Ps3's



unknown_soul89 on 01 August 2010
nanarchy said:
unknown_soul89 said:
TheSource said:

Two things...

1) I don't see a typo in that paragraph. Am I going blind?

2) Brett and I don't really buy the PS3 shortages. Sony (John Koller I think it was) has said "supply would be tight" - but thats really a shortage, its slightly different. I say that mainly because Sony (in this case) / Microsoft don't always provide the models people want to buy and end up overstocking the models people don't want. Looking back, when the Wii has had shortages, it seems to be more that Nintendo didn't want demand to fall off a cliff and supplied only enough volume to keep pace steady.

SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. Worldwide you have something like -

USA - X360 > PS3

Canada - X360 > PS3

Mexico - X360 > PS3

UK - X360 > PS3

Australia - X360 > PS3

Scandanavia - X360 > PS3

Pretty much every other country that buys video games in the world though appears to favor PS3 over X360. For big markets, that wouldn't be enough - USA Canada Mexico UK Aust Scandanavia is 55% or so of the market - with mainland Europe, South Korea and Japan and a few other favoring PS3, but those small little markets that Sony taps or will tap are in rapidly developing / growing countries and so that 55% slips a bit each year.

The other thing is, the X360 software market, if you compare our 2008 to 2009 figures, and even the hardware market has also been flat / declining slightly while PS3 is still growing a bit. My guess is retailers are willing to gamble more on the growing market and less so on the shrinking market, unless its still massively bigger.

The truth is alot of publishers are already struggling on the current machines even as the bases continue to grow, and so right about when PS3 reaches a point where it can't / forever overtakes X360, the next generation should be arriving - and HD / Wii support will beging vanishing.

If you compare 2009 to 2008 the following publishers sold less games on Wii, X360 and PS3.

Wii 2008 SW > 2009 - Take Two, Konami, Sega, Nintendo

PS3 2008 SW > 2009 - Take Two, Ubisoft, Sega, Konami

X360 2008 SW > 2009 - Microsoft, Ubisoft, Take Two, Sega, Konami

Its great if Sony / Microsoft don't want to release new systems until 2013 or whatever but more than a couple publishers are already losing out and the trend is continuing into 2010 - so the era of exclusivity is over and like I said in the piece publishers basically see PS3 / X360 as on par with each other now. Even EA / Activision look like they may have trouble meeting their 2009 SW sales on PS3 / X360 / Wii. The only publishers who really look better off than last year are Ubisoft (Wii strength), Take Two (Red Dead), and Square-Enix (FFXIII) on the console side and so I'd imagine the chorus calls for new systems will get stronger shortly.

Where are you getting your numbers for Canada, UK and Australia because I'm not convinced 360 sells more in those areas, and if you say NPD for Canada just take it off, because I know they don't track Canada properly 

Can't comment on the others but those numbers are definitely correct for Australia. 360 has maintained the lead here since its release. think current numbers are aroun 1 million 360's to 800k Ps3's

Maintained it's lead as in has always been in the lead or maintained it as in has been selling equal-more consoles then the ps3, because 360 had a year head start, so its a huge difference between holding/increasing your lead and not losing it yet



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postofficebuddy on 01 August 2010
nanarchy said:
unknown_soul89 said:
TheSource said:

Two things...

1) I don't see a typo in that paragraph. Am I going blind?

2) Brett and I don't really buy the PS3 shortages. Sony (John Koller I think it was) has said "supply would be tight" - but thats really a shortage, its slightly different. I say that mainly because Sony (in this case) / Microsoft don't always provide the models people want to buy and end up overstocking the models people don't want. Looking back, when the Wii has had shortages, it seems to be more that Nintendo didn't want demand to fall off a cliff and supplied only enough volume to keep pace steady.

SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. Worldwide you have something like -

USA - X360 > PS3

Canada - X360 > PS3

Mexico - X360 > PS3

UK - X360 > PS3

Australia - X360 > PS3

Scandanavia - X360 > PS3

Pretty much every other country that buys video games in the world though appears to favor PS3 over X360. For big markets, that wouldn't be enough - USA Canada Mexico UK Aust Scandanavia is 55% or so of the market - with mainland Europe, South Korea and Japan and a few other favoring PS3, but those small little markets that Sony taps or will tap are in rapidly developing / growing countries and so that 55% slips a bit each year.

The other thing is, the X360 software market, if you compare our 2008 to 2009 figures, and even the hardware market has also been flat / declining slightly while PS3 is still growing a bit. My guess is retailers are willing to gamble more on the growing market and less so on the shrinking market, unless its still massively bigger.

The truth is alot of publishers are already struggling on the current machines even as the bases continue to grow, and so right about when PS3 reaches a point where it can't / forever overtakes X360, the next generation should be arriving - and HD / Wii support will beging vanishing.

If you compare 2009 to 2008 the following publishers sold less games on Wii, X360 and PS3.

Wii 2008 SW > 2009 - Take Two, Konami, Sega, Nintendo

PS3 2008 SW > 2009 - Take Two, Ubisoft, Sega, Konami

X360 2008 SW > 2009 - Microsoft, Ubisoft, Take Two, Sega, Konami

Its great if Sony / Microsoft don't want to release new systems until 2013 or whatever but more than a couple publishers are already losing out and the trend is continuing into 2010 - so the era of exclusivity is over and like I said in the piece publishers basically see PS3 / X360 as on par with each other now. Even EA / Activision look like they may have trouble meeting their 2009 SW sales on PS3 / X360 / Wii. The only publishers who really look better off than last year are Ubisoft (Wii strength), Take Two (Red Dead), and Square-Enix (FFXIII) on the console side and so I'd imagine the chorus calls for new systems will get stronger shortly.

Where are you getting your numbers for Canada, UK and Australia because I'm not convinced 360 sells more in those areas, and if you say NPD for Canada just take it off, because I know they don't track Canada properly 

Can't comment on the others but those numbers are definitely correct for Australia. 360 has maintained the lead here since its release. think current numbers are aroun 1 million 360's to 800k Ps3's


Just so you know our Australia numbers are actually Australia and New Zealand and that region is actually partly responsible for the discrepancy.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=107096



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steverhcp02 on 02 August 2010
TheSource said:

 

SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. Worldwide you have something like -

USA - X360 > PS3

Canada - X360 > PS3

Mexico - X360 > PS3

UK - X360 > PS3

Australia - X360 > PS3

Scandanavia - X360 > PS3

Pretty much every other country that buys video games in the world though appears to favor PS3 over X360. For big markets, that wouldn't be enough - USA Canada Mexico UK Aust Scandanavia is 55% or so of the market - with mainland Europe, South Korea and Japan and a few other favoring PS3, but those small little markets that Sony taps or will tap are in rapidly developing / growing countries and so that 55% slips a bit each year.

 

This is precisely why im sadly beginning to follow shipped figures and almost willing to give up on WW software. It just seems too hard to track, especially like you say, lots of small markets that chip away at the market.




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unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
steverhcp02 said:
TheSource said:

 

SCE does business in 99 countries if you read its corporate press releases - shipping 10,000 PS3s or whatever it is to 50 little markets per quarter in addition to the big markets of Western Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, Brazil and South East Asia has a way of adding up, and I think thats why the figures for PS2, PSP, and PS3 suggest more stock on shelves than for Nintendo / Microsoft stuff. The main reason I have PS3 beating X360 is that Sony beats Microsoft in most of the little markets. Worldwide you have something like -

USA - X360 > PS3

Canada - X360 > PS3

Mexico - X360 > PS3

UK - X360 > PS3

Australia - X360 > PS3

Scandanavia - X360 > PS3

Pretty much every other country that buys video games in the world though appears to favor PS3 over X360. For big markets, that wouldn't be enough - USA Canada Mexico UK Aust Scandanavia is 55% or so of the market - with mainland Europe, South Korea and Japan and a few other favoring PS3, but those small little markets that Sony taps or will tap are in rapidly developing / growing countries and so that 55% slips a bit each year.

 

This is precisely why im sadly beginning to follow shipped figures and almost willing to give up on WW software. It just seems too hard to track, especially like you say, lots of small markets that chip away at the market.

Shipped VS Shipped are the most accurate way to track, anything else is just for people who are too impatient 



Kasz216 on 02 August 2010

I don't get why anybody is treating this as new information.  It's been like this for a while now.  A long while.  As Ioi stated a long time ago.  It's likely Sony is counting something else in with it's shipped sales.  Like replacement numbers.

Afterall it's not like it's JUST Vgchartz that it's at odds with.   It's at odds with EVERY major tracker.

It'd be dishonest or just wishful thinking to think it's anything else.  These were the people who's shipped used to meant "sitting in our warehouses."

Buisnesses can't lie, but they can define the definitions of words so they're telling the truth and lead most people on.