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Crazymann said:

Yeeeooow!

Hot topic!

Anyhow, all religions have skelitons in the closet, but they all have good points as well, and in general encourage a good and honest life.  They provide a moral compass that can ground and help people (especially if they have none of their own.)

I have a problem with any religion or person who would claim exclusive audience with whatever higher power they espouse.  Furthermore, I certainly do not believe in forcible conversion.

BTW, a pig is considered an unclean animal in Islam, but it is not favored in the Torah or the old testiment of the Bible either.  I consider this to be due to the high incidence of trycanosis.  The old holy books were simply trying to keep people alive, so pork was disallowed.  I do not believe that God (Allah, Yaweh etc.) will smite me for eating pork, but I think (for its time) it was a fair warning.

 For a devout Muslim, eating pork would be tantamount to a practitioner of Vedic Hindu slaughtering and eating a cow.

Me, I am a carnivore, so it's all good to me...

I personally think this is true. What I find strange (with any religion) is that so many people are so quick to follow and accept the simple reasoning given, without looking and fully understanding the logic behind the rules in the context of the time they were set. We have fridges now so the reasoning behind not eating pork is somewhat redundant now. Another example would be halal meat. Halal is meant to be a humane way of slaughtering animals and was brought in to stop cruel practices. Now however, I think the current method (in the UK at least) for slaughtering animals is more humane, yet people still kill and eat halal meat.

As for Hindus and cows, that might not have orginally been for holy reasons either. I was born a Hindu and my own reading suggests that at the time of the rule's formation it was customary to slaughter your most prized animal for food when you had guests over. As the cow was the most expensive and precious of the livestock, it would typically be the cow, but as cows were also the largest providers of milk they were seen as highly valuable... too valuable. Thus, the rule came in place to stop cows being killed.



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superkasei said:

WTF was that, i never see a post of that kind of wierd

i am adventist and we are very peaceful people :)

 

 


WTF a fellow adventist lurks this site!!??!?!



Lynx said:

I just want to meet the person who actually thinks world peace can ever be even marginally achieved.  People will always find a reason to kill each other. 

Oh, it's acheivable, we just have to evolve ourselves beyond our current thinking ;)

Firstly, we need a one world government, but of course, humans are unfit to govern themselves, so it would need to be an advanced A.I, well beyond our current capabilities to create. However, said A.I would need to understand human thinking, so it'd have to merge with a human body to fully understand human logic and our inherrent lack of.

Of course, this wouldn't stop all war, just punish those that try to start. The next step would be to biologically network our collective consciousness together so everyone understands everyone else and we evolve beyond our biological constraints as a species.

BTW: Yes, this is ripped straight from a game storyline :P



Someones been playing Deus Ex. I don't think being governed by an AI would work. Largely because of human arrogance. I doubt many humans would want to be governed by a computer.



Scoobes said:
Crazymann said:

Yeeeooow!

Hot topic!

Anyhow, all religions have skelitons in the closet, but they all have good points as well, and in general encourage a good and honest life.  They provide a moral compass that can ground and help people (especially if they have none of their own.)

I have a problem with any religion or person who would claim exclusive audience with whatever higher power they espouse.  Furthermore, I certainly do not believe in forcible conversion.

BTW, a pig is considered an unclean animal in Islam, but it is not favored in the Torah or the old testiment of the Bible either.  I consider this to be due to the high incidence of trycanosis.  The old holy books were simply trying to keep people alive, so pork was disallowed.  I do not believe that God (Allah, Yaweh etc.) will smite me for eating pork, but I think (for its time) it was a fair warning.

 For a devout Muslim, eating pork would be tantamount to a practitioner of Vedic Hindu slaughtering and eating a cow.

Me, I am a carnivore, so it's all good to me...

I personally think this is true. What I find strange (with any religion) is that so many people are so quick to follow and accept the simple reasoning given, without looking and fully understanding the logic behind the rules in the context of the time they were set. We have fridges now so the reasoning behind not eating pork is somewhat redundant now. Another example would be halal meat. Halal is meant to be a humane way of slaughtering animals and was brought in to stop cruel practices. Now however, I think the current method (in the UK at least) for slaughtering animals is more humane, yet people still kill and eat halal meat.

As for Hindus and cows, that might not have orginally been for holy reasons either. I was born a Hindu and my own reading suggests that at the time of the rule's formation it was customary to slaughter your most prized animal for food when you had guests over. As the cow was the most expensive and precious of the livestock, it would typically be the cow, but as cows were also the largest providers of milk they were seen as highly valuable... too valuable. Thus, the rule came in place to stop cows being killed.

Exactly, I knew that was the reason. I justify eating cow to my mum by saying the rule was just enforced because kings of old didn't want a milk shortage!



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

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FaRmLaNd said:

Someones been playing Deus Ex. I don't think being governed by an AI would work. Largely because of human arrogance. I doubt many humans would want to be governed by a computer.


It kinda worked in the game (if you chose that path) because you largely didn't give the rest of humanity a choice. It's pretty hard to fathom it at present anyway as A.I tech is just not even close to the standard where we could give an A.I that much control.



darthdevidem01 said:
Scoobes said:
Crazymann said:

Yeeeooow!

Hot topic!

Anyhow, all religions have skelitons in the closet, but they all have good points as well, and in general encourage a good and honest life.  They provide a moral compass that can ground and help people (especially if they have none of their own.)

I have a problem with any religion or person who would claim exclusive audience with whatever higher power they espouse.  Furthermore, I certainly do not believe in forcible conversion.

BTW, a pig is considered an unclean animal in Islam, but it is not favored in the Torah or the old testiment of the Bible either.  I consider this to be due to the high incidence of trycanosis.  The old holy books were simply trying to keep people alive, so pork was disallowed.  I do not believe that God (Allah, Yaweh etc.) will smite me for eating pork, but I think (for its time) it was a fair warning.

 For a devout Muslim, eating pork would be tantamount to a practitioner of Vedic Hindu slaughtering and eating a cow.

Me, I am a carnivore, so it's all good to me...

I personally think this is true. What I find strange (with any religion) is that so many people are so quick to follow and accept the simple reasoning given, without looking and fully understanding the logic behind the rules in the context of the time they were set. We have fridges now so the reasoning behind not eating pork is somewhat redundant now. Another example would be halal meat. Halal is meant to be a humane way of slaughtering animals and was brought in to stop cruel practices. Now however, I think the current method (in the UK at least) for slaughtering animals is more humane, yet people still kill and eat halal meat.

As for Hindus and cows, that might not have orginally been for holy reasons either. I was born a Hindu and my own reading suggests that at the time of the rule's formation it was customary to slaughter your most prized animal for food when you had guests over. As the cow was the most expensive and precious of the livestock, it would typically be the cow, but as cows were also the largest providers of milk they were seen as highly valuable... too valuable. Thus, the rule came in place to stop cows being killed.

Exactly, I knew that was the reason. I justify eating cow to my mum by saying the rule was just enforced because kings of old didn't want a milk shortage!

Well, there we are, lol. My mum didn't know I ate beef until recently where I put a giant steak on my plate at a wedding. She was less than impressed, but it was so tasty!



World peace is only attainable once all the humans are gone. Who's for a nuclear holocaust to speed things up?

 

Also at the moment Islam is doing pretty badly in the entire human rights and respecting others categories. Bit sad when you consider than a thousand years ago Islam was doing so much better than most of the rest of humanity. Ah well, in the end the moderates and liberals will win out, all we can do is play the waiting game.



Don't quite get this so called 'joke' thread. Has it anything to do with the recent interview 'Am-a-dinner-jacket' gave to Press TV?



I thought there might have been a new sub-forum created when I saw the thread title. This doesn't belong in "Off Topic" it belongs in "Off the Wall".



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix