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FaRmLaNd on 29 July 2010
BigBoobieHead said:
FaRmLaNd said:
BigBoobieHead said:
FaRmLaNd said:

Except that the whole point of this site is to track how many consumers have actually bought the hardware, not how many are consoles are sitting in warehouses and store shelves worldwide.

I don't see it like that.

I like this site not because it provides consumer numbers, but because the numbers are weekly, and that there are numbers for so many things.

So just because I am a member here and use shipments as official sales, doesn't mean I'm in the wrong.

Do you know what happens when products are overshipped?

They get shipped back to the manufacturer. Or are heavily discounted, or are dumped or any number of things.

Shipment figures are useful, but they aren't the whole picture when looking at the demand of a product to consumers.

And that happens how often?

They aren't the whole picture, they are the best overall picture.

I don't know in the video games business how often it happens but it happens all the times when it comes to books and music.

EDIT no single number it the best overall picture. Having all numbers provides the best picture.



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ElGranCabeza on 29 July 2010
ZenfoldorVGI said:
BigBoobieHead said:
The_God_of_War said:

Isn't it 38.1 million to 41.7 million?

Fuck.

'Gap is now less than 4M'


lol, owned...j/k. I make at least 1 type per minute myself.

Anyway, Sony stuffing the channels and MS can't produce the slims fast enough. The closing gap is an illusion.


Lol some of you guys are delusional.



rf40928 on 29 July 2010

Economy huh ? 

Every year Forbes ranks companies by their worth.   Last year (2009) Sony market rank was #82, they have dropped to #421 in 2010!   Most of their divisions are IN THE RED.. Yes that means a loss !! In the same time Microsoft was #49 (2009) , and they are .. still #49 (2010) !!   They gross revenue is mostly equal to Microsofts, but they evidentally have much more loss !!   In the last 12 months Sony net income( money in the bank) was a mere 140K US dollars versus 18Million for Microsoft.

Sony's computer and PS3 division operated at a loss this year of 87 billion.. actually all division of Sony were bailed out by Sony's Financial Services Division, which was the only division to make any real money. ** referenced in this informative article** 

  http://247wallst.com/2010/05/13/sony-earnings-and-prospects-still-dismal-time-to-break-it-up/ 

 



JPH85 on 29 July 2010

Actually the PS3 outsold the Wii, but they don't want to announce it. They want to keep everyone believing that their sales  are low, make up some incident that burned their PS3 production factory, and collect billions of dollars from insurance companies.



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rf40928 on 29 July 2010

Economy huh ? 

Every year Forbes ranks companies by their worth.   Last year (2009) Sony market rank was #82, they have dropped to #421 in 2010!   Most of their divisions are IN THE RED.. Yes that means a loss !! In the same time Microsoft was #49 (2009) , and they are .. still #49 (2010) !!   They gross revenue is mostly equal to Microsofts, but they evidentally have much more loss !!   In the last 12 months Sony net income( money in the bank) was a mere 140K US dollars versus 18Million for Microsoft.

Sony's computer and PS3 division operated at a loss this year of 87 billion.. actually all division of Sony were bailed out by Sony's Financial Services Division, which was the only division to make any real money. ** referenced in this informative article** 

  http://247wallst.com/2010/05/13/sony-earnings-and-prospects-still-dismal-time-to-break-it-up/ 



psrock on 29 July 2010
rf40928 said:

Economy huh ? 

Every year Forbes ranks companies by their worth.   Last year (2009) Sony market rank was #82, they have dropped to #421 in 2010!   Most of their divisions are IN THE RED.. Yes that means a loss !! In the same time Microsoft was #49 (2009) , and they are .. still #49 (2010) !!   They gross revenue is mostly equal to Microsofts, but they evidentally have much more loss !!   In the last 12 months Sony net income( money in the bank) was a mere 140K US dollars versus 18Million for Microsoft.

Sony's computer and PS3 division operated at a loss this year of 87 billion.. actually all division of Sony were bailed out by Sony's Financial Services Division, which was the only division to make any real money. ** referenced in this informative article** 

  http://247wallst.com/2010/05/13/sony-earnings-and-prospects-still-dismal-time-to-break-it-up/ 

 

lol, Sony is the DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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rf40928 on 29 July 2010
BigBoobieHead said:
rf40928 said:

HAHA

I have to admit PS3 enjoyed a surge in sales the last 7 months or so thans to their PS3 slim and lower cost.. but you know.. it really looks like the benefits of that surge will soon be deleted by Microsoft who has done the same thing.  Their slim XB360 looks like its sales will benefit it tremendously now through the holiday season... combine that with upcoming platinum selling titles.. up coming Halo reach ( 8 weeks to go and already more then 115K preordered) and up coming Gears of War..

 

I don't know why Sony fanboys alays make a big deal of the PS3's sales numbers, to be quite frank all that matters is they are no longer number one, they no longer have control of the best game developers ( which is why you find the best titles available on other consoles and not just theirs ) and the real kicker is Microsoft is getting real big dollars from XB LIVE with 23 million members ( back in like 2007 it was like 7 million) and they keep making it better..and usable to real people in day to day life by adding things like ESPN coming soon.. they had Netflix on their an entire year before the mighty Sony added it.. You'd think Sony with all their movie buddies and bluray would've been all over it, but they are showing that success truely is a menace ( as Bill Gates said ).. it fools smart people into beleiving they can't fail.. Sony got cocky.. they also lost alot of sale sin their consumer electronics divisions.  Anyone see how much they lost in computers compared to 5 yrs ago?

What matters is profit and market share, quite frankly. Sony and MS have both failed here.

Spin is everything by the way.

You may say 'Anyone see how much they lost in computers compared to 5 yrs ago?'

I may say 'Sony has just came through one of their toughest periods ever without much loss and are now back to profit'

Economy huh ? 

Every year Forbes ranks companies by their worth.   Last year (2009) Sony market rank was #82, they have dropped to #421 in 2010!   Most of their divisions are IN THE RED.. Yes that means a loss !! In the same time Microsoft was #49 (2009) , and they are .. still #49 (2010) !!   They gross revenue is mostly equal to Microsofts, but they evidentally have much more loss !!   In the last 12 months Sony net income( money in the bank) was a mere 140K US dollars versus 18Million for Microsoft.

Sony's computer and PS3 division operated at a loss this year of 87 billion.. actually all division of Sony were bailed out by Sony's Financial Services Division, which was the only division to make any real money. ** referenced in this informative article** 

  http://247wallst.com/2010/05/13/sony-earnings-and-prospects-still-dismal-time-to-break-it-up/ 



rf40928 on 29 July 2010

To my above post that Sony is the one LOSING money, not Microsoft.. I posted an article from the wall street journal.. All divsions of sony lost money except one..

the link above didnt work.. this one should..

http://247wallst.com/2010/05/13/sony-earnings-and-prospects-still-dismal-time-to-break-it-up/



BigBoobieHead on 29 July 2010
rf40928 said:

Economy huh ? 

Every year Forbes ranks companies by their worth.   Last year (2009) Sony market rank was #82, they have dropped to #421 in 2010!   Most of their divisions are IN THE RED.. Yes that means a loss !! In the same time Microsoft was #49 (2009) , and they are .. still #49 (2010) !!   They gross revenue is mostly equal to Microsofts, but they evidentally have much more loss !!   In the last 12 months Sony net income( money in the bank) was a mere 140K US dollars versus 18Million for Microsoft.

Sony's computer and PS3 division operated at a loss this year of 87 billion.. actually all division of Sony were bailed out by Sony's Financial Services Division, which was the only division to make any real money. ** referenced in this informative article** 

  http://247wallst.com/2010/05/13/sony-earnings-and-prospects-still-dismal-time-to-break-it-up/ 

 

You know so little. You think Sony did bad, check out other Japanese electronic multinationals.

Who is going to be worse off in a recession?

- A JAPANESE ELECTRONICS maker that charges HIGH PRICES and has fierce COMPETITION

- An AMERICAN SOFTWARE company than has LITTLE competiton

MS will always blow Sony away in net profit, because they make software and have basically no real competition - they're margins are unreal.

Sony, despite being worse off, still has:

  • A ton more assets (which are sellable if needed)
  • A bigger workforce
  • More annual customers
  • A much more diversified product range and mix
  • More revenue

See how spin can work?

Bottom line is that Sony have came through this recession without significant loss, are now making profit, have better thinking and are restructured for the future.

MS have just continued as MS - doing awesome but not making it really in the electronics world. MS are unstoppable until Windows comes under serious competiton, of ever.