There's no way matter, time and space can be created out of nothing if there's no intervention of an outer force capable of creating, of giving existence. By nothing I mean no preexistent matter, time or space. There has to be something that's the cause of everything that precedes it, the first uncaused cause.

Once again, you're talking causality here which only makes any sense when we are dealing with time. There is no reason to think that causality must hold true outside of the universe because there is no reason time should exist outside of the universe.

If logic doesn't exist outside the universe, then nothing has a meaning. We shouldn't be debating anything because there would never be a logic answer outside our universe and there's now way our universe exists purely by chance. There needs to be logic as a universal thing or theories about our universe would only be valid inside it, and our universe isn't eternal, it had a begining, so that would mean we cannot ever find the answer.

Our theories might only be valid inside of it. Just because you would prefer logic to exist outside the universe doesn't mean it does. As it stands there is absolutley no way to prove it either way.

The third point puts matter as the eternal thing. What about the immaterial beings, that theory is completely denying espiritual beings like humans, and we can by the use of reason reach the conclusion that there are espiritual beings. In the end, this is a circular and endless debate and we cannot answer anything because it's unreachable for any human so far. It's kinda sad to know no one will be able to properly answer the biggest questions, I know I will die without knowing the answer.

Almost certainly we both will. My hope is that one day the answers will be found though, though I'm not sure if it's even possible.

The questions are: What's the origin of the Universe? What's the origin of Life? What's the origin of Intelligent Life?

It's nice to debate about these topics, but when all the answers we hear can't be proven empirically, then it's useless. We cannot find the answers by ourselves, that's why I believe there's a superior being who at least knows these answers, that's God for me.

Why does there need to be a superior being that knows the answers?

Lol i just cant believe people dont believe in anything, you telling me you can look at the human body and many different things on this planet and think there is no design behind it. I can understand different religions having trouble in figuring out which is true and which is not but I cannot understand the people whom think there is nothing. I’m very open minded but telling me there is no intelligent design is unacceptable. Look up thyroids, your liver, any internal part of your body and tell me shit like that just happens, I’m pretty sure there would be no life on this planet if the big bang just happened, and who created the big bang. Another question would be who created God but I cant answer any of this. So ill say we will all see when we die case closed

I don't because I like to make as few assumptions as possible, and because I like simplicity.

One can go all nihilist and say that reality itself can't be proven, since observation itself is in question.

Okay then, but I'm sure both religious and non-religious people aren't nihilist. I'm sure we all don't believe that we're in some kind of matrix.

So we all assume the existence of the world, and that our observations are reliable. That's the axiom we all live off of in my opinion, our one big assumption.

From this axiom (that the world exists and our observations are reliable) we can do inductive and deductive reasoning. We can induce the fundamental rules and laws of our reality (inducing the law of gravity by seeing an apple fall, or dropping two objects of different mass from a building), and then use those laws to deduce things that we might not be able to see or observe. That's science in my opinion, and in my opinion everyone's a scientist. We all accept reality for what it is, we remember what reality is, and we make predictions based on that memory.

So the thing is, why don't we bring a god into our big picture?

A)To explain the unexplainable.

B) To explain the origin of reality

Simply saying that goddit isn't an explanation. In fact, that's just a more complicated answer. Here's how it looks in my mind:

?->God exists->Reality exists

vs

Reality exists

Even if we go with:

God always existed->Reality exists

vs

Reality exists

That's 2 things vs 1.

It's the same reason why I don't believe that little people live in my fridge, and hide when I open the door anymore. It's why I don't believe that everytime I go back to my car, someone may have replaced it with an exactly same looking car. It's simply unneeded to believe such a thing. Nothing changes, and it's just unnecessary.

Also, to me god is just the same as replacing one unknown with another unknown, as Thuderf00t says it.

?->God->Universe

?->Universe

Why do we need a middle man? Why believe in one extra, unnecessary thing?

I do believe in a God because something had to create the world. I find it hard to believe a "big bang" created a world and made life possible, that just sounds stupid to me. Now I'm no expert on either religion or science (relating to the big bang theory) but I choose to believe in religion instead of science.

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Maybe because the story of god (and every other religion) is the exact replica of the Egyptian Sun God. But hey it's something to believe in I guess but in the meantime I'll just believe in myself and I'm sure I'll get much further in life doing so.

So God cannot share its act of existing? You mean he couldn't have done it in an act of love.

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Science says the universe is expanding, but not 'into' something. The universe is all that there is.

If you're going to postulate beings outside the universe, then I would ask - how could they influence the universe? Everything we've observed is deterministic - its cause is something else inside the universe. Where is the scope for outside beings to be affecting inside mechanics?

As for the stuff that makes up the majority of the universe, we know perfectly well what its nature is - dark matter and dark energy - in that we can describe its properties and interactions with matter well. There's no room there to start declaring the extra stuff God or time or whatever, because it would show up with different properties.

Try reading Wikipedia on these subjects before declaring science supports you.

Love? like in omnipotent being with human emotions? Now that is a scary thought.