well, I read the whole thread ...
Firstly, let me say I m not that "wowed" by "Inception" because I have the feeling it is so complictaed that there is plenty of "holes" in the plot everywhere but because we have no time to check these, we have the impression "it is best movie ever !" ala MGS4 / X-files ... Neverthless, after reading this thread I m starting to think that those plots could be filled and, in this case ... big respect to Nolan (note to Nolan : the Dark Night is WAY overrated ... just saying lol)
Secondly, I have an important issue with the "oniric" part of the movie : it is so NOT oniric !!! All the action sequence, from their classic content to the classic way they were take, could have been in the "A-team movie", there was nothing originality despite most of these taking place ... in a dream !! Outside the ground morphing and the "train from nowhere" there was absolutely nothing original. It was just "pan-pan" all the time with a CoD type mission.
I, BY NO MEAN, wanted something "overbadass" but I expected to be more surprise to say the very least ...
Example : level in the future with robotic guard, level in the far west with cowboys, level in UK with scotch languard chasing the heroes, medieval japan.
Also, the limb were a complete fail : 2 lovers building , during 50 years, ... BUILDING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG, are you kidding me ? perhaps, you meant very scfi style building with special technology because Mall and Cobb are 2 pure geeks ? No, we are saying "bulding", very high, and ulgy, classic, uninspired building ... ... ...
It is true that, considering the Fisher's testament story, it was important to keep something close to the reality to convince Fisher Junior but ... the third level, where there was no need to have something "real" because any treasure chest, prison (psychatric hospital anyone ?) would have made it, was ... a fucking overboring military base in a cold level : more pan-pan ! Also, we have to remember that Mall, throught Cobb, was able to get inside and make the things messier for them : not enought exploited IMO. The enemies were mainly the military "pan-pan" guys : fuck you Nolan !
Thirdly, let's go back to the main plot story. I must say, that, like you, the most interesting part (THE part) is the Cobb story and nothing else. So the movie is completely focus on this and it is very good (more charatcer developpment ==> gg).
I was, like you, mixed at the end about "what is dream ? what is reallity ?"
Here are my questions/notes :
- what, concretely happen, if someone touch your totem ? I mean, you cant modifiy object property in 1 seconde, neither learn those properties ? so it is not that bad to touch it since you cant modify it. Expect perhaps if you could steal it ? or learn those properties ?
- as someone said, at the end, in the limb, we are all guessing that Saito kill Cobb and then kill himself ? Am I wrong ? Is there any others issues possible ?
- at the end, the grandfather is here too. But he is supposed to live ... in Paris. It means Cobb said him to join him in the US before being sure he will succeed his mission ... well, not that big after all ....
- the children, at the end, the way they are sitting, the house, the grass, the way they turn their head, the way someone call them ... it is exactly like in the previous dream but from a different angle ... could Cobb still be dreaming at this moment about a past or imagined event ?
- about the different injury / gravity change and, in general, the "physical" relation between the 3 dreamed level :
does it always make sense ? This is where I have my big doubts about the presence of many "plot holes"
whatever, this is all for the moment. I liked the movie but not as much as some people.
So, IF this movie makes complete sense ... then very big respect for Nolan.