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arcane_chaos on 20 July 2010

PS2=KING!!! 



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Tanstalas on 20 July 2010
RolStoppable said:

Is it really necessary to troll the 360 and PS3 so hard? As if it wasn't already hard enough to take that they are losing to the Wii. Now you are telling us that another last gen console is outselling the HD twins as well?


 



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FlyingLotus on 21 July 2010

Cool.So this means  PS3 is in 4th place.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

joeorc on 21 July 2010
Hyruken said:
joeorc said:
Hyruken said:
joeorc said:
Hyruken said:

 

But as i said above you can't really use numbers from these places as you would have to go through individually and remove places where 360 is not released. Like for example China, the most populated planet on earth. Many Middle Eastern countries. In reality if you went through each of those countries and removed the ones without a 360 release the PS2 total would be a lot lower.

Either way it does not matter, 360 has outsold PS2 in americas,europe and japan since it's release.

 

that's like saying the sales there do not count!, which is not the case this is a site that has "WORLD WIDE" sales total's does it not?

so just because the XBOX360 is not released into those areas is not the fault of the other countries and their sales..

say for instance as an example: If the PS3 or the Wii was not released in the US market and the xbox360 was would you than exclude the US because the Wii and the PS3 was not released there...?

Yes it does count.....

However as shown if you break down each region based on when the 360 was actually released in each region he is wrong. In terms of collecting data you can't use numbers that are prior to 360's actual release as that would make the numbers false. That is what he has done.

 

how is it false, he is showing the product sales in a per region basis just as you did..it would be great to pick an choose what data to ignore and which to choose , but you cannot if you want to be unbias. look his data is when the system's sales were from the start of when the xbox360 was released..not when the PS2 was released because the PS2 would be way more ahead.

just because a product is not in a region and another is does not mean you get to exclude those sales in the totals. that's like saying I release a product and you than release one at the same time but i put it in more places than you . but you want to exclude those places sales?

look just because the xbox360 sold more in some region's than other does not take away from the fact the PS2 out sold the xbox360 and the PS3 world wide.

the Xbox360 does not do as well in Japan as the other two, yet that does not mean we exclude the sales number's for total system's sold.

for as good of the sales the xbox360 and the PS3 has had the PS2 just sold more because (a) there are areas that are just now getting the PS2 for the very first time..it's a new launched system there! It's like they just got a new system released there even though the rest of the world has had them for many year's. (b) it's priced very Low, with a ton of existing software to buy.


If you were doing that for a professional comparison you would not be able to use numbers to compare in that way.

That is like comparing say a product with a billion people who can buy it against one with only a few hundred thousand who can buy it. If a product is limited to only specific areas how can you compare it to one that is available everywhere. Is it really an achivement for the one to be available everywhere to beat one that isn't?

Ok let me put this in simpler terms for you.

If you are comparing the 360 sales with PS2 sales then what are the factors for comparing. If you are comparing worldwide sales of both consoles from the momment the 360 was released in 1 country then his data is correct. But by that logic it is not much of a comparison because as pointed out your comparing 1 console available to every country against 1 that is available in only 1 country. What is more likely to have higher sales?

The only way you can compare the two in a fair way is to compare sales of the two consoles from the point 360 released in each individual region and work each regions totals out.

Take europe for example. You can only compare PS2 numbers to the 360 numbers AFTER the 360 has released there. Because otherwise your comparing PS2 data against no 360 data. Again that would be false data.

The same goes for every country that has had a 360 release. You can only compare PS2 data AFTER the 360 has released there.

That was the point of his post, to say PS2 has outsold 360 since the 360 has been released. Which is correct. Because if you compare it from the day it was released in americas your have his numbers. But those numbers are comparing one product available in all regions to one only available in one. Not much of a comparison is it.

To get the true figures you have to look at each region individually and base the numbers in those places AFTER the 360 has released there. Because your way of doing it as i have explained to you is comparing say PS2 numbers in regions where the 360 had yet to even be released yet. If your going to for example collect data from India and base the comparison on how the PS2 has sold since 360 has launched. You would only use data from after the 360's launch there. You can't include a whole years worth of PS2 sales prior to 360 even being released. That is false data.

see the point is the data it being done when the xbox360 first's hit the market..did that same point of ref. stop VGChartz listing both the xbox360's sales Data over the PS3 before it was released a year before the PS3 was released?, no so why should it be done in the case of the xbox360?

to be fair?

What your saying is if the xbox360 never get's released in a certain region , but another system does you have to exclude the Data..which like i stated is not accurate..it's being Bias..that's like saying a car company and another car company both release new car's but  only one of them releases in another country, you cannot exclude that other country's data .

this is not any way unfair

He only used the data that was since the XBOX360 was released

it's not Sony's fault that Microsoft does not release the xbox360 in as many countries World Wide as Sony does with the Playstation Product's.

were going to keep going back n forth over this, while i completely understand your position, I happen to not agree with it. And I gave my point well enough in my post.



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Hyruken on 21 July 2010
joeorc said:
Hyruken said:
joeorc said:
Hyruken said:
joeorc said:
Hyruken said:

 

But as i said above you can't really use numbers from these places as you would have to go through individually and remove places where 360 is not released. Like for example China, the most populated planet on earth. Many Middle Eastern countries. In reality if you went through each of those countries and removed the ones without a 360 release the PS2 total would be a lot lower.

Either way it does not matter, 360 has outsold PS2 in americas,europe and japan since it's release.

 

that's like saying the sales there do not count!, which is not the case this is a site that has "WORLD WIDE" sales total's does it not?

so just because the XBOX360 is not released into those areas is not the fault of the other countries and their sales..

say for instance as an example: If the PS3 or the Wii was not released in the US market and the xbox360 was would you than exclude the US because the Wii and the PS3 was not released there...?

Yes it does count.....

However as shown if you break down each region based on when the 360 was actually released in each region he is wrong. In terms of collecting data you can't use numbers that are prior to 360's actual release as that would make the numbers false. That is what he has done.

 

how is it false, he is showing the product sales in a per region basis just as you did..it would be great to pick an choose what data to ignore and which to choose , but you cannot if you want to be unbias. look his data is when the system's sales were from the start of when the xbox360 was released..not when the PS2 was released because the PS2 would be way more ahead.

just because a product is not in a region and another is does not mean you get to exclude those sales in the totals. that's like saying I release a product and you than release one at the same time but i put it in more places than you . but you want to exclude those places sales?

look just because the xbox360 sold more in some region's than other does not take away from the fact the PS2 out sold the xbox360 and the PS3 world wide.

the Xbox360 does not do as well in Japan as the other two, yet that does not mean we exclude the sales number's for total system's sold.

for as good of the sales the xbox360 and the PS3 has had the PS2 just sold more because (a) there are areas that are just now getting the PS2 for the very first time..it's a new launched system there! It's like they just got a new system released there even though the rest of the world has had them for many year's. (b) it's priced very Low, with a ton of existing software to buy.


If you were doing that for a professional comparison you would not be able to use numbers to compare in that way.

That is like comparing say a product with a billion people who can buy it against one with only a few hundred thousand who can buy it. If a product is limited to only specific areas how can you compare it to one that is available everywhere. Is it really an achivement for the one to be available everywhere to beat one that isn't?

Ok let me put this in simpler terms for you.

If you are comparing the 360 sales with PS2 sales then what are the factors for comparing. If you are comparing worldwide sales of both consoles from the momment the 360 was released in 1 country then his data is correct. But by that logic it is not much of a comparison because as pointed out your comparing 1 console available to every country against 1 that is available in only 1 country. What is more likely to have higher sales?

The only way you can compare the two in a fair way is to compare sales of the two consoles from the point 360 released in each individual region and work each regions totals out.

Take europe for example. You can only compare PS2 numbers to the 360 numbers AFTER the 360 has released there. Because otherwise your comparing PS2 data against no 360 data. Again that would be false data.

The same goes for every country that has had a 360 release. You can only compare PS2 data AFTER the 360 has released there.

That was the point of his post, to say PS2 has outsold 360 since the 360 has been released. Which is correct. Because if you compare it from the day it was released in americas your have his numbers. But those numbers are comparing one product available in all regions to one only available in one. Not much of a comparison is it.

To get the true figures you have to look at each region individually and base the numbers in those places AFTER the 360 has released there. Because your way of doing it as i have explained to you is comparing say PS2 numbers in regions where the 360 had yet to even be released yet. If your going to for example collect data from India and base the comparison on how the PS2 has sold since 360 has launched. You would only use data from after the 360's launch there. You can't include a whole years worth of PS2 sales prior to 360 even being released. That is false data.

see the point is the data it being done when the xbox360 first's hit the market..did that same point of ref. stop VGChartz listing both the xbox360's sales Data over the PS3 before it was released a year before the PS3 was released?, no so why should it be done in the case of the xbox360?

to be fair?

What your saying is if the xbox360 never get's released in a certain region , but another system does you have to exclude the Data..which like i stated is not accurate..it's being Bias..that's like saying a car company and another car company both release new car's but  only one of them releases in another country, you cannot exclude that other country's data .

this is not any way unfair

He only used the data that was since the XBOX360 was released

it's not Sony's fault that Microsoft does not release the xbox360 in as many countries World Wide as Sony does with the Playstation Product's.

were going to keep going back n forth over this, while i completely understand your position, I happen to not agree with it. And I gave my point well enough in my post.



I still don't think your getting it and i don't know how i can make it any simpler...

But okay one last try.

If your COMPARING PS2 sales to 360 sales YOU HAVE to have an equal/fair starting point of which to compare them. In this instance that point is when 360 hit shelves. So to get the correct number you have to work out each release date and each following sales.

Example.

To see if PS2 has outsold 360 in UK since the 360 was released you have to find the release date for the 360. In this case the release date was 2nd december 2005 in the UK. You can then work out the amount of PS2's sold from december 2nd 2005 until today. This gives you the figure for how many PS2's were sold in the UK since december 2nd 2005. Which is the 360's release date there. Thus answering the question for UK "How many PS2's have been sold in UK since 360 was released". That is how companies and sane people compare figures. That is not bias those are the figures.

Because comparing it your way means your counting numbers from 22nd november 2005 worldwide. Which as i have explained is wrong. You can only compare the sales to the region in which both are released or your not comparing anything, your just trying to get as many PS2 sales as possible to prove a point. One that is actually wrong.

As my data shows you if you compare the PS2 sales and the 360 sales in each region from when the 360 was released you see 360 has sold more. That is going off a like for like basis. Meaning we use the same dates to count both numbers for 360 and PS2. The starting date being the release date for the 360. As that was the question he asked. He didn't ask "What were the PS2 sales in the world for the 2 weeks prior to 360's release in europe". As that is what you have answered.



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jarrod on 21 July 2010

SD twins >>>> HD twins



STEKSTAV on 21 July 2010
kowenicki said:

Very good and impressive.

But ever so slighlty misleading...

People saying the PS2 is still relevant are very wrong.

Do the same comparison for sales SINCE the start of

since 2009:

PS3 17.7m

360 14.7m

PS2 6.4m

since 2010:

PS3 5.4m

360 4.5m

PS2 1.3m

 

PS2 only really sells in emerging markets now.  The vast majority of those sales you mention come from 2006 and 2007. If you start the compariosn of 360 and PS2 at the same time as the PS3 then you get a very different picture... hell if you start the 360 v PS2 comparison 10 weeks later (feb 2006 to now) you get a different picture.

 

^ You're absolutly correct. The numbers are different depending on from when you start counting ;D

Obviously the PS2 had the advantage of being WW at the start of this "next gen", aswell as only being in its 5th year and the 360 in its first, price, good reputation from the gen before compared to the original XB, HD not being so mainstream at the start of "next gen" etc. 

My point of this thread was the definition of "next gen", and that the PS2 is generally tossed aside as last gen and dosen't matter anymore, despite having great total sales numbers 5 years into this "next gen". But obviously the 360 will take "2nd place" this year, and the PS2 sales today isn't strong in the grand scheme of things. But still, it has done great numbers 5 years into a gen, a gen that its not allowed to be apart of.

Its a bit like saying that the first 360 gen ended when PS3 and Wii came into the market a year later. Or that the next gen of today started with the 360S and the sales of  last gen consoles (360, PS3, Wii) is last gen and isn't really important. 



STEKSTAV on 21 July 2010
Hyruken said:



I still don't think your getting it and i don't know how i can make it any simpler...

But okay one last try.

If your COMPARING PS2 sales to 360 sales YOU HAVE to have an equal/fair starting point of which to compare them.

But your whole point of view is that these numbers is ment to compare two products and who's more successful, which it's not at all.

These numbers shows how many PS2 units have been sold since the start of "next gen". Most people can agree on that the start of next gen was when the 360 was launched. The 360 and PS3 numbers are just there to show you that the PS2 in comparison has sold an equal amount of units since the start of this gen, a gen that it can't be apart of despite having kept on selling for 5 years into this gen.

So, this is not a PS2 vs HD thread. Its a PS2 vs Next Gen definition-thread.



zgamer5 on 21 July 2010

the ps2 is like the psp last year and two years ago it was doing average but know its dead.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

joeorc on 21 July 2010
STEKSTAV said:
Hyruken said:



I still don't think your getting it and i don't know how i can make it any simpler...

But okay one last try.

If your COMPARING PS2 sales to 360 sales YOU HAVE to have an equal/fair starting point of which to compare them.

But your whole point of view is that these numbers is ment to compare two products and who's more successful, which it's not at all.

These numbers shows how many PS2 units have been sold since the start of "next gen". Most people can agree on that the start of next gen was when the 360 was launched. The 360 and PS3 numbers are just there to show you that the PS2 in comparison has sold an equal amount of units since the start of this gen, a gen that it can't be apart of despite having kept on selling for 5 years into this gen.

So, this is not a PS2 vs HD thread. Its a PS2 vs Next Gen definition-thread.

Thank you..it's not hard to see that point.. does not matter? In my opinion not at all..lol

but it does Show world wide the PS2's sales and How those sales have continued due to not only Release, pricepoint, but game archive. the PS2 was an still is a very good system.

 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.