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Forums - Sales - EMEAA Up - 17th July 2010

drkohler said:
kowenicki said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Xbox 360 hardware up     329%

Xbox 360 software down     7%

I sure hope Microsoft makes a profit on the new 360 hardware....

Software is hard to track and judging by the official software charts those software figures are wrong.

And Im sure the hardware is very profitable....

How do you know? I am pretty sure that MS, at this point, loses a lot more, and I mean _a LOT more_ on every 360S sold than Sony loses on every PS3S sold. (This has to do with people not understanding the difference between manufacturing costs and production costs - a destinction many do not seem to grasp).

And if the software estimates are anywhere near what they are given here (...no increase at all), MS does not ofset the losses from the hardware in any shape or form, at this time. This all bogs down to being able to shout "Look how we sell more hardware than our competitor" at the top of their lungs, at whatever costs the shouting is accompanied by.

LOL

What a load of rubbish. A slim elite, that costs LESS than the phat profiting elite .. is gonna lose Microsoft money how? Stop talking nonsense.



 

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drkohler said:
kowenicki said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Xbox 360 hardware up     329%

Xbox 360 software down     7%

I sure hope Microsoft makes a profit on the new 360 hardware....

Software is hard to track and judging by the official software charts those software figures are wrong.

And Im sure the hardware is very profitable....

How do you know? I am pretty sure that MS, at this point, loses a lot more, and I mean _a LOT more_ on every 360S sold than Sony loses on every PS3S sold. (This has to do with people not understanding the difference between manufacturing costs and production costs - a destinction many do not seem to grasp).

And if the software estimates are anywhere near what they are given here (...no increase at all), MS does not ofset the losses from the hardware in any shape or form, at this time. This all bogs down to being able to shout "Look how we sell more hardware than our competitor" at the top of their lungs, at whatever costs the shouting is accompanied by.

Microsoft loses "A lot more"?  HAHA, sorry, but that's pretty funny.

Perhaps if you were to provide specifics about how you came to this conclusion, rather than a reference to an ambiguous comparison between production/manufacturing costs, your argument would carry more weight?

Additionally, you are of the belief that Microsoft...MICRO-freaking-SOFT, decided you know...lets lose a LOT more money on a system we were previously making a nice profit on, just so we can shout "Look how we sell more hardware than our competitor"...

Really?

On topic, outside of POS advertising, I'd guess there has been little if any nationally televised campaigns on the 360S, is this true in Others as well?



Wow @ X360 numbers. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it certainly wasn't a number that big.

Yay at Alan Wake sales! Maybe this game will have good legs after all.

So how does everyone think the X360S Arcade will do?



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iWarMachine said:
Boutros said:

And that's without a price cut, unlike the PS3 Slim.


indeed, it's amazing to see those numbers without a price cut.


actually not correct entirely

new ps3 and 360 costs

NA both 299

JP about 30000 yen

EU ps3 120gb 250 pound 300 euro 360S 250gb 200 pound 250euro wii 180 pound 200 euro

why arent the prices the same in EU for the ps3 slim 120gb and the 360S like they are in every other region?



                                                             

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kowenicki said:
TRios_Zen said:

Microsoft loses "A lot more"?  HAHA, sorry, but that's pretty funny.

Perhaps if you were to provide specifics about how you came to this conclusion, rather than a reference to an ambiguous comparison between production/manufacturing costs, your argument would carry more weight?

Additionally, you are of the belief that Microsoft...MICRO-freaking-SOFT, decided you know...lets lose a LOT more money on a system we were previously making a nice profit on, just so we can shout "Look how we sell more hardware than our competitor"...

Really?

On topic, outside of POS advertising, I'd guess there has been little if any nationally televised campaigns on the 360S, is this true in Others as well?


No.. they were advertising it on TV in the UK for the last few weeks.  not that often, but they were there.

I have noticed a lot of multiplats being advertised with a PS3 ending recently though...  something MS used to do more of.

Cool thanks.  I don't watch a LOT of TV, but I do watch a fair amount of sports and I would guess that here in the states there has been little or no televised advertisements on the release of the 360S (though ads that show the 360 at the end do show the "S" model).

I haven't noticed an increase in PS3 ending ads here though.  Interesting data.



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Sorry, but no way that these numbers are very accurate.

Nobody can tell me, that ~200.000 sold 360 consoles lead to a decrease of software sales. This would mean, that every 360 slim was sold to an existing 360 owner this week.

Maybe vgchartz should have used more tracking time (usually, EMEAA numbers aren't up this early).



nightsurge said:
kowenicki said:

now who was it that thought a bump to 60k was probable... lol

this is an incredible result and one which could be repeated next week too.

HUGE!

 


BHR-3.   Another failed prediction for him.


no its your post that is fail

i never made a thread or post anywhere that said i thought first week EU sales would be at 60k so dont put my name where it doesnt belong when i make fun of others predictions i do include the quote and link from where it came from

find it for me and ill go to mod any ban myself

also shorten your sig i think its ridiculously long



                                                             

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Hyruken said:

Think your overeacting about the software thing. It is only 30k behind PS3's software sales. Would hardly say that it is time to start talking about profits from hardware/software....In 9 weeks then you can talk about software when Reach comes out. Or at the end of the year when Fable 3 does. Or at the start of next year with Gears 3 etc etc. 3 big AAA titles coming. I doubt MS are crying that they are 20k behind PS3 in software sales in EMEAA this week. Especially when the top selling PS3 exclusive game in the chart was GOW3 at 24 with 14k sales. The top selling MS game on the list was at number 3 with 52k. Meaning the top selling 360 exclusive this week did x4 what the top selling PS3 exclusive did. So yeah i don't think MS will be upset about the software somehow.



It's not a matter of SW being low. Comparatively speaking, it's not. And in all likelyhood we probably are undertracking software slightly. It's a matter of proportion. When hardware sales increase 5 fold it's reasonable to expect software to increase in atleast somewhat similar fashion. Maybe not 5 times but atleast a doubling effect. Even without the existence of the S, Reach and Fable would have sold similarly to what they will. Lonterm HW boosts can't be sustained almost entirely by repurchases, especially once used sales start to cannabalize new ones. What do you think is going to happen when consumers start to go into retailers only to find them out of stock of the S but litterally overflowing with used units a hundred euros or pounds cheaper? Why do you think PS3 beat 360, supposedely by a shocking margin, in Canada last holiday? Retailers were offering used Pro's for only $100.



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PakChiuCheng said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj62HiLk-Ag

 

 

Very appropriate song for the xbox fanboys. LOL.

 

Enjoy guys!

Love it. Absolutely love it. 

Everyone swing those hips. And sing.

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kowenicki said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
wholikeswood said:
selnor said:

2 days of sales. Only 2 friggin days of sales.

It was on pre-order for 4 weeks.

Curious to see what the split is between UK slim sales and mainland Europe slim sales.


why? do sales in certain places count more?

Be gentle, he's looking for an outlet



if he, or anyone, looks here:

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?reg=Others

they will see the the UK doesnt have the biggest % increase... so it has done very well all over the EU.

Useless link as VGC can't discern between old 360s and 360 slims, so my curiosity will remain unless GfK starts feeling more generous with their data.

Oh, and Seece, there you go with the indirect trolling of me again. Wasn't it only the other day you were doing the exact same thing? It's very hypocritical, you know, to advise me to lighten up when at the same time you come on VGC looking to pick a fight with a Sony poster.