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rossoner said:
kain_kusanagi said:

If your going to  count PS2 and PSP software along with PS3 and PSN software than you should count all of Microsoft's sales. PC software, Windows XP, Vista, 7 , Moble 7 apps, XBLA, and Xbox 360 all together.

We are talking about software sales and Microsoft makes and sells a lot more software than just Xbox 360. If you're not going to count it all then you should just compare PS3 and Xbox 360 retail games and PSN/XBLA.


first ur logic ????

second no1 didnt mention psn sales.

third if u look just at ps3 SW sales(51)its still more than 46.

What type of logic is lumping  ps2  and psp. Besides. Sony does not have the money microsoft has. Have a good day.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

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Ping _ii:  Reading comprehension issues It appears.  The term 'genre' would mean that yes I believe Fable 3 will outsell GOW 3 comfortably and may actually finish as the highest selling exclusve rpg this gen.  Pokemon excluded of course.  Reach should easily triple KZ2 sales and double KZ3 in the shooter genre.  Disagree if you want but ease up on attack mode please.  The topics I discussed are all involved in the OP and were mentioned in previous posts.   I should have specified which moderator I guess but I obviously wasn't talking about you.  MakingMusic is a person and a fan as well as a moderator but his/her contention that the recent sw surge on PS3 was a permanent state of affairs seems highly suspect for the reasons detailed above.

Nothing I've said is unreasonable and I will wait for some sort of published survey or study before conceding that the new 360 sold a slightly higher percentage to existing owners.  Likewise if the tie ratio ever drops by even half a percentage point against Sony sw or the total sw gap ever shrinks to 50-60 million then you will have something to brag about and I can eat crow.  It won't imo. 

I have predicted elsewhere that GT5 will sell 10.5 m lifetime and Reach 12.5 and I expect those to be far more accurate than the lunacy coming out of some of the PS3 fans.  Hope GT5 does that well for you and your fav. box   I never bet here or in real life but I believe I am entitled to state my opinions anyway.  I certainly wouldn't bet that Fable3 which might hit 5m would beat out GT5 that should do twice that.



FlyingLotus said:
rossoner said:
kain_kusanagi said:

If your going to  count PS2 and PSP software along with PS3 and PSN software than you should count all of Microsoft's sales. PC software, Windows XP, Vista, 7 , Moble 7 apps, XBLA, and Xbox 360 all together.

We are talking about software sales and Microsoft makes and sells a lot more software than just Xbox 360. If you're not going to count it all then you should just compare PS3 and Xbox 360 retail games and PSN/XBLA.


first ur logic ????

second no1 didnt mention psn sales.

third if u look just at ps3 SW sales(51)its still more than 46.

What type of logic is lumping  ps2  and psp. Besides. Sony does not have the money microsoft has. Have a good day.

It's providing gamers with more content.  How relevant this is between PS3 and 360, not much.  But as a gamer, I look across all options to enjoy gaming.  So there's plenty on the PSP and still the PS2 to serve regardless of how much money Microsoft has.



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Solid_Snake4RD said:
WilliamWatts said:
Serious_frusting said:
WilliamWatts said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
WilliamWatts said:

Live = software.

Live = first party software.

Live = Elephant dung sized poop over Sony 1st party software profitability.

If you'd said games, of course it'd be different.


oh so tell me how big is that LIVE elephant dung size profit?

Probably bigger than Sony's entire first party for the entirety of the current generation.

Now your just being stupid

Not really. 1.2B split 50:50 

600M @ 30% = $180M 

600M @ 65% =  $390M

Total = $570M

Note: Live gold margins are covering entire cost of operations.

$570M is = or > than total Sony first party revenue for the past year. Im basing this on the analyst piece I read a week or so back about Xbox Live.

tha analyst's aren't really known for their accurate statements and analysis

Neither are video game fans who live on VGChart forums, but who am I to talk right?



Also - I think we're forgetting a lot of 360 exclusives have had very large scale sales, particularly Halo and Gears of War - where they handily blow away that of SCE's publications.

To publish significantly more exclusive games, and just managing to sell more games than your competitor?  I don't think that's anything to bust open the champagne for in the Sony camp.  More games = more publication costs.  You want fewer games, with large scale sales for each on average.



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Jordahn said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jordahn said:
Mr Puggsly said:
SpartenOmega117 said:
Ping_ii said:
Reach said:
BMaker11 said:

#1 M$ barely has a first party

#2 Is it really fair to compare only the 360 to the PS3, PS2, and PSP?


RaRe , LionHead , BiGPark , Good Science , Turn10 , 343 , Ruffian Games. 6 1st Party Studios. Plus Epic Games Working on Games for MS , Crytek and many more to come... i see a great future for MGS.


LMAO comapared to.

*guerila games
*Naughty dog
*Liverpool studio
*Team Ico
*Media molecule
*Zipper
*SOE
*Sony bend
*Santa monica
*Evolution studio
*Cambridge
*London studio
*Polyphony digital
*Japan studio

with

*Quantic dreams
*Insomniac
*Sucker punch
*Eat sleep  play
*United front games
*Titan studio

etc.....your list is pale my friend.


damn!!! that list is pale compared to sony's. Well in the end i am a consumer and not some multi billionaire giant so i prefer the company that gives me more games even if the company does get less profit.

Perhaps that's part of the reason some developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles.

WIth that said and like many others I prefer the 360 exclusives.

But the PS3 also has its share of exclusive 3rd party titles along with exclusive content with multi-platform games.  Having a preference is fine, but your argument cuts both ways.  Moot point.  

It seems many of the 3rd party exclusives for the PS3 generally have a large appeal in Japan. For obvious reasons siding with the PS3 is best unless MS is throwing a ton of money at you. Personally, I tend to enjoy western games much more than Japanese games.

The exclusive content found in some PS3 games is likely something Sony works out to combat much of the exclusive content the 360 gets. I mean they had the GTA IV expansions, they get the Call of Duty DLC first, great XBLA titles, and they've even bought several of their exclusives. MS has been extremely competitive and Sony has to get (i.e. buy) an edge somewhere.


Thank you for expressing your opinion and personal preferences.  It still doesn't back up your single-sided claim that:

"Perhaps that's part of the reason some developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles."

Have a nice day.

Basically Sony mostly just cares about their games. They've made it clear their focus is their IPs. They flood their console with quite a few 1st party titles that compete with sales of 3rd party.

http://kotaku.com/216256/sony-lost-ps3-exclusives-says-requisite-stupid-things

To the contrary, MS has put a focus on bringing great 3rd party exclusives to the 360 and support them. They even throw money around to get them.



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Rawnchie14 said:

Also - I think we're forgetting a lot of 360 exclusives have had very large scale sales, particularly Halo and Gears of War - where they handily blow away that of SCE's publications.

To publish significantly more exclusive games, and just managing to sell more games than your competitor?  I don't think that's anything to bust open the champagne for in the Sony camp.  More games = more publication costs.  You want fewer games, with large scale sales for each on average.

As a consumer I know which of those options I'd prefer!



Mr Puggsly said:
Jordahn said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jordahn said:
Mr Puggsly said:
SpartenOmega117 said:
Ping_ii said:
Reach said:
BMaker11 said:

#1 M$ barely has a first party

#2 Is it really fair to compare only the 360 to the PS3, PS2, and PSP?


RaRe , LionHead , BiGPark , Good Science , Turn10 , 343 , Ruffian Games. 6 1st Party Studios. Plus Epic Games Working on Games for MS , Crytek and many more to come... i see a great future for MGS.


LMAO comapared to.

*guerila games
*Naughty dog
*Liverpool studio
*Team Ico
*Media molecule
*Zipper
*SOE
*Sony bend
*Santa monica
*Evolution studio
*Cambridge
*London studio
*Polyphony digital
*Japan studio

with

*Quantic dreams
*Insomniac
*Sucker punch
*Eat sleep  play
*United front games
*Titan studio

etc.....your list is pale my friend.


damn!!! that list is pale compared to sony's. Well in the end i am a consumer and not some multi billionaire giant so i prefer the company that gives me more games even if the company does get less profit.

Perhaps that's part of the reason some developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles.

WIth that said and like many others I prefer the 360 exclusives.

But the PS3 also has its share of exclusive 3rd party titles along with exclusive content with multi-platform games.  Having a preference is fine, but your argument cuts both ways.  Moot point.  

It seems many of the 3rd party exclusives for the PS3 generally have a large appeal in Japan. For obvious reasons siding with the PS3 is best unless MS is throwing a ton of money at you. Personally, I tend to enjoy western games much more than Japanese games.

The exclusive content found in some PS3 games is likely something Sony works out to combat much of the exclusive content the 360 gets. I mean they had the GTA IV expansions, they get the Call of Duty DLC first, great XBLA titles, and they've even bought several of their exclusives. MS has been extremely competitive and Sony has to get (i.e. buy) an edge somewhere.


Thank you for expressing your opinion and personal preferences.  It still doesn't back up your single-sided claim that:

"Perhaps that's part of the reason some developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles."

Have a nice day.

Basically Sony mostly just cares about their games. They've made it clear their focus is their IPs. They flood their console with quite a few 1st party titles that compete with sales of 3rd party.

http://kotaku.com/216256/sony-lost-ps3-exclusives-says-requisite-stupid-things

To the contrary, MS has put a focus on bringing great 3rd party exclusives to the 360 and support them. They even throw money around to get them.


How can anyone seriously take the link you posted as support for your statement is beyond any reason.  Trenton said:

"We really feel like we're well positioned to contribute platform-defining games from a first-party standpoint, and we're not dependent on third-party community to the degree that a Microsoft would be. That being said, you would be crazy to say that you would never entertain or not welcome exclusives. It's just a question of how deep into your pockets do you have to reach to secure that? Desperation breeds deep pockets. Confidence breeds the opposite. When it makes sense, you do the deal. When it doesn't, you pass."

It means that they will take advantage of a 3rd party exclusive when they think it's worth the investment while learning to be more independent.   It still doesn't mean that "developers have chosen to side with the 360 for exclusivity of certain titles" just because SONY has more studios and titles that Microsoft.  And just because a console maker looses a game as an exclusive doesn't mean it's not coming to that same console as a multi-platform game.  This isn't the case either.  The PS3 still has its share of third party exclusives for whatever reasons whether you want to deny that or not regardless of your personal preferences.  And in regards to extras, games like Batman:AA, RDR, Toy Story, and the newest UFC have all have simultaneously releases on both the 360 and PS3.  And all PS3 versions of those titles received PS3 exclusive content.  And that's not including upcoming games like Metal of Honor, Mafia II, and Portal 2 which all will be getting PS3 exclusive content.  Stop being so one-sided, man.



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CrazyHorse said:
Rawnchie14 said:

Also - I think we're forgetting a lot of 360 exclusives have had very large scale sales, particularly Halo and Gears of War - where they handily blow away that of SCE's publications.

To publish significantly more exclusive games, and just managing to sell more games than your competitor?  I don't think that's anything to bust open the champagne for in the Sony camp.  More games = more publication costs.  You want fewer games, with large scale sales for each on average.

As a consumer I know which of those options I'd prefer!

I would prefer more gaming options that apply to me as a gamer provided that they are of quality.  Thankfully, that has been the case.  WHY would I want to say to myself, "WOOOOOOW!!! That game made sooOOooOoo much money.  That mean it's has to be teh awesome, I'm gonna teh like it, and I wil play it foreva..."  Nope.  I'll stick with reality.



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Could you do a list for the entire life SW sales of PS3 versus 360?