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Alacrist on 06 April 2007

Cold hard facts!



 

  

 

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Diomedes1976 on 06 April 2007
HappySqurriel said:
Kwaad said:

Rayman is exclusive to the Wii? That's news to me!

 

Second, crappy 3rd party games sell horrible? I'd say all 3rd party games sell horrible.

Rayman - Wii - 375,250
Rayman - 360 - wtf? no sales data?

madden - 360 - 1,554,750 - 70%
madden - PS3 - 335,250 - 15.2%
madden - Wii - 311,250 - 14.1%

NFS: Carbon - 360 - 512,000 - 62%
NFS: Carbon - PS3 - 185,500 - 22.5%
NFS: Carbon - Wii - 128,250 - 15.5%

360 - 5,692,750 - 63% total
Wii - 2,107,500 - 26.8% total
PS3 - 1,160,500 - 13% total

Total next gen consoles: 8,960,750

Why on next gen multiplatform game sales... is the Wii at the bottom? The percents mean alot. Becuase the Wii has almost double the sales. It should at least be BETTER than PS3. 

 

How about we look at the Big Picture for third party games on the PS3 and Wii: 

15Sonic and the Secret RingsSega1 88,500 88,500
24Rayman Raving RabbidsUbisoft4 64,250 375,250
39Madden NFL 07EA4 41,500 311,250
64Call of Duty 3Activision4 28,750 251,250
69Red SteelUbisoft4 27,500 335,500
77Super Monkey Ball: Banana BlitzSega4 26,000 267,250
96Trauma Center: Second OpinionAtlus4 20,500 172,000
102ElebitsKonami3 19,500 114,250
106Marvel: Ultimate AllianceActivision4 19,250 207,750
113Need for Speed: CarbonEA4 18,000 128,250
141Dragonball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2Atari4 14,750 134,500
149Rapala Trophies: Pro Tournament FishingActivision4 14,000 68,750
171Rampage: Total DestructionMidway4 12,500 95,500
173Super Swing GolfTecmo3 12,500 69,250
190Metal Slug AnthologySNK3 11,000 64,750
191Tony Hawk Downhill JamActivision4 11,000 123,500

Total third party sales for Wii in february:429,500 ...

32Virtua Fighter 5Sega1 56,750 56,750
48Major League Baseball 2K7Take 21 34,750 34,750
53Madden NFL 07EA4 33,250 335,250
63Fight Night Round 3EA3 29,000 168,250
75Call of Duty 3Activision4 26,250 212,000
82Need for Speed: CarbonEA4 24,750 185,500
114Marvel: Ultimate AllianceActivision4 17,750 160,000
125Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07EA4 16,500 113,000
139NBA 2K7Take 24 15,000 111,500
150Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWIIUbisoft3 14,000 76,000
164Tony Hawk Project 8Activision4 12,750 112,000
180Ridge Racer 7Namco4 11,750 98,500
193Full Auto 2: BattlelinesSega3 11,000 75,500

The PS3 has a total of 303,500 third party sales in february


 

 

Yes ,with fewer games and half the install base ...hardly a triumph for the Wii .



Yojimbo on 06 April 2007

Should not Wii 3rd party sales be twice as much as PS3 sales? :S



 
Louie on 06 April 2007
HappySqurriel said:
Kwaad said:

Rayman is exclusive to the Wii? That's news to me!

 

Second, crappy 3rd party games sell horrible? I'd say all 3rd party games sell horrible.

Rayman - Wii - 375,250
Rayman - 360 - wtf? no sales data?

madden - 360 - 1,554,750 - 70%
madden - PS3 - 335,250 - 15.2%
madden - Wii - 311,250 - 14.1%

NFS: Carbon - 360 - 512,000 - 62%
NFS: Carbon - PS3 - 185,500 - 22.5%
NFS: Carbon - Wii - 128,250 - 15.5%

360 - 5,692,750 - 63% total
Wii - 2,107,500 - 26.8% total
PS3 - 1,160,500 - 13% total

Total next gen consoles: 8,960,750

Why on next gen multiplatform game sales... is the Wii at the bottom? The percents mean alot. Becuase the Wii has almost double the sales. It should at least be BETTER than PS3. 

 

How about we look at the Big Picture for third party games on the PS3 and Wii: 

15Sonic and the Secret RingsSega1 88,500 88,500
24Rayman Raving RabbidsUbisoft4 64,250 375,250
39Madden NFL 07EA4 41,500 311,250
64Call of Duty 3Activision4 28,750 251,250
69Red SteelUbisoft4 27,500 335,500
77Super Monkey Ball: Banana BlitzSega4 26,000 267,250
96Trauma Center: Second OpinionAtlus4 20,500 172,000
102ElebitsKonami3 19,500 114,250
106Marvel: Ultimate AllianceActivision4 19,250 207,750
113Need for Speed: CarbonEA4 18,000 128,250
141Dragonball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2Atari4 14,750 134,500
149Rapala Trophies: Pro Tournament FishingActivision4 14,000 68,750
171Rampage: Total DestructionMidway4 12,500 95,500
173Super Swing GolfTecmo3 12,500 69,250
190Metal Slug AnthologySNK3 11,000 64,750
191Tony Hawk Downhill JamActivision4 11,000 123,500

Total third party sales for Wii in february:429,500 ...

32Virtua Fighter 5Sega1 56,750 56,750
48Major League Baseball 2K7Take 21 34,750 34,750
53Madden NFL 07EA4 33,250 335,250
63Fight Night Round 3EA3 29,000 168,250
75Call of Duty 3Activision4 26,250 212,000
82Need for Speed: CarbonEA4 24,750 185,500
114Marvel: Ultimate AllianceActivision4 17,750 160,000
125Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07EA4 16,500 113,000
139NBA 2K7Take 24 15,000 111,500
150Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWIIUbisoft3 14,000 76,000
164Tony Hawk Project 8Activision4 12,750 112,000
180Ridge Racer 7Namco4 11,750 98,500
193Full Auto 2: BattlelinesSega3 11,000 75,500

The PS3 has a total of 303,500 third party sales in february


And look at Madden: The Wii Version has got longer legs... next month the difference will maybe stay at 20k copies and in the end at about 10k copies... there goes the last hope for PS3 3rd party defenders...

 Edit: even Tony Hawk sold better on Wii. And Call of Duty, Sonic, the exclusive games...



Alacrist on 06 April 2007

OMG I can't believe this firs the Wii isn't selling enough third-party games, when someones shows that they are selling more than the PS3, the arguement becomes, well they should be selling way more than the PS3, they shouldn't be ahead by a little bit. This is a issue because Sony needs third-party games to be a sucess, and Nintendo doesn't yet they are out selling the PS3 in the third-party software department.



 

  

 

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DKII on 06 April 2007

Not to mention that PS3 3rd-party costs more so they need to sell more.  Why do you think there are so few PS3 3rd-party exclusives to date?  They're all on or going to be on 360 at the least.  I can't even name any already out off the top of my head except maybe RR7 which I heard was just an upgraded port of RR6 on 360.

 edit:  wow just noticed Sonic Wii outsold VF5 on PS3, that's interesting wonder if it holds up.



HappySqurriel on 06 April 2007
Diomedes1976 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Kwaad said:

Yes ,with fewer games and half the install base ...hardly a triumph for the Wii .


No doubt ...

I don't think that it would be fair to say that the Wii's third party game sales were fantastic but it is not performing all that poorly either. Where I do thing the triumph for the Wii has occured is that third party games on the Wii have been selling at decent levels even though they're (in general) not that good of games.

I'm not trying to be overly hard on the third party developers, but I do think that many developers didn't see the potential for the Wii until E3 2006 and then they started to rapidly port games or start original development; most of these ports have been pretty bad. There are exceptions, I think Ubisoft got a lot right with their original Wii games but lacked time to polish a couple of them, and EA has been generally very good at porting games.



Avinash_Tyagi on 06 April 2007
Joelcool7 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Some devs like Ubisoft are doing this, but others like Sega and EA are actually putting effort into their games

 I don't know where you get off claiming that UbiSoft isn't putting any effort into their games opposed to EAGames.

 

UbiSoft has indeed ported many games and continues to do so but they also brought us origonal properties like RedSteel as well as an exclusive version of Rayman:RavingRabbids. UbiSoft already confirmed numerous new IP's and titles in the works for the Nintendo Wii they should be revealed shortly. UbiSoft began developing RedSteel back in 2005 on the earliest GameCube dev kit at that time Raving Rabbids and other titles followed suit. None of the games were built using Alpha kits which means none had final hardware to work with.

 EAGames single exclusive title SSX-Blur was started in early 2006 with finalized Alpha kits, these finalized alpha kits are Wii's true power yet we saw a SSX game that wasn't much of an improvement graphics wise then the ones on GameCube. EA descided to cheap out just like all the other companies are right now giving us crappy ports like NeedForSpeedCarbon and Madden07.

 

In the end I think third parties could be killing Wii and Nintendo's image of quality!  Nintendo themselves are making a conceded effort to draw third party support such as giving third parties huge periods of time without first party competition. NintendoI suspect is also cutting the quality of their own first party games to give third parties a better chance at competing this is very very bad. Nintendo's first parties are well respected but for example the screen for Disaster:DayOfCrisis looked awful!

 

Right now the only third parties really carrying their weight are Konami and Sega. UbiSoft and EAGames have improved their tactics but neither company is really putting fourth genuine effort! 

 


 Actually its because Ubisofts games have been poorly done with tacked on controls, while EA's games have been of higher quality (Gamespot rated the Wii version of Maddenhiger than the one on PS3 and 360), also the disaster screen shown was from an early build of the game



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

stof on 06 April 2007
Yojimbo said:
Should not Wii 3rd party sales be twice as much as PS3 sales? :S

Why? they're not all the same games. It's silly to post numbers for the entirety of third party titles, because it ignores what the games actually are. The fact is that the success of the Wii has led to a dramatic increase in third party support. Many of those games have been rush job cash ins. Many of the recent announcements aren't. But there has been plenty of Success. I think that EA, Ubisoft Activision, Sega, Atari and Atlus are pretty happy with how their titles are doing.

As for the original thread statement; That developers won't make good games because they won't sell enough, but will make crappy games because they'll sell well... WHA!? That doesn't even make any sense. Ask Ubisoft which game has been more profitable, Farcry Vengeance or Rayman Raving Rabbids?



I'm a mod, come to me if there's mod'n to do. 

Chrizum is the best thing to happen to the internet, Period.

Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

Kwaad on 06 April 2007

For those of you who say the Wii has sold more 3rd party games total. Yeah it has. But then agian, the PS3 has sold a large sum in comparison. And the Wii has a MUCH wider array of games.

Rayman, Red Steel, Trauma Center, Some raceing one I think...

Basically the Wii has 3rd party games in almost every class. The PS3 has 3rd party games in... well... Sports... Sports... Massive multi-plats... and that's it.

Almost every game that is on the Wii/PS3 the PS3 is outselling it, or doing as good.
EDIT: The games also cost 10$ more.

Multi-plat games on the PS3 are more expensive than the Wii? Yeah they are, it takes more money to optimize from a 360 to PS3, than PS2 to Wii.

And on this level, What happens to Wii multi-plat support when PS2 vanishes? That's where 90% of Wii games 'engines/game' is coming from. Either that or old X-box/GameCube games.

3rd party wins the war. Sony is doing quite well on 3rd party right now.



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