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highwaystar101 on 13 July 2010
Lostplanet22 said:
highwaystar101 said:

First off, this blatantly isn't about public safety, the burka has been singly pointed out. It's obviously targeting muslims.

I agree with Sarkozy when he says "The veil hurts the dignity of women", but in that case don't ban the burka. All that does is take away a woman's right to wear the religious clothing of her choice... But that's exactly the point, her choice.

Many Muslim women don't have the choice, they are forced to wear the burka by male relatives or husband. If you want to ban something, then ban people from forcing others to wear religious clothing.

Forcing women to not wear the burka would be just as bad as those forcing those same women to wear the burka.

Not sure my idea would have much effect though.

How are you going to find those? if the women already wear an burka because they have to I doubt they go to police and complain about it;.

Hence the last sentence of my post being "Not sure my idea would have much effect though".



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Lostplanet22 on 13 July 2010
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.


You can see the face of nuns don't ya?  And wow their are no african nuns in your country?

1)ive met less friendly nuns than friendly muslim women.

why you need to see the face? dont you use an IM client? we gonna ban them too?

1)  Did I say muslim women are less friendly than nuns?

why need to see the face...maybe for proper identification of the person? This issue all stared with a group of Burqa women who did not wanted to let the police show their face...'I wear a burqa because no men should see me and then you ask to show myself what is the point of my burqa then'?  Can women wear an burqa on UK airports?  Can they go to an bank? can they do their exams on school? Can they find work with one? Without showing their face?  If not they are screwed...



 

Lostplanet22 on 13 July 2010
highwaystar101 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
highwaystar101 said:

First off, this blatantly isn't about public safety, the burka has been singly pointed out. It's obviously targeting muslims.

I agree with Sarkozy when he says "The veil hurts the dignity of women", but in that case don't ban the burka. All that does is take away a woman's right to wear the religious clothing of her choice... But that's exactly the point, her choice.

Many Muslim women don't have the choice, they are forced to wear the burka by male relatives or husband. If you want to ban something, then ban people from forcing others to wear religious clothing.

Forcing women to not wear the burka would be just as bad as those forcing those same women to wear the burka.

Not sure my idea would have much effect though.

How are you going to find those? if the women already wear an burka because they have to I doubt they go to police and complain about it;.

Hence the last sentence of my post being "Not sure my idea would have much effect though".

Yeah I saw it, maybe should not have replied to it;.

Btw Spain is also going for an ban of the burqa I know it did not passed in Cataloniâ..



 

SciFiBoy on 13 July 2010
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.


You can see the face of nuns don't ya?  And wow their are no african nuns in your country?

1)ive met less friendly nuns than friendly muslim women.

why you need to see the face? dont you use an IM client? we gonna ban them too?

1)  Did I say muslim women are less friendly than nuns?

why need to see the face...maybe for proper identification of the person? This issue all stared with a group of Burqa women who did not wanted to let the police show their face...'I wear a burqa because no men should see me and then you ask to show myself what is the point of my burqa then'?  Can women wear an burqa on UK airports?  Can they go to an bank? can they do their exams on school? Can they find work with one? Without showing their face?  If not they are screwed...

why not? what do you not like about them hiding there faces?



Carl on 13 July 2010
SciFiBoy said:

lets ban all these things then fellas?:

Hoodies
Low Hats
Umbrellas
Paper Bags
the Internet, we cant see each others faces here either, so ban time for every site.

same stupid logic...

You're trying too hard.

First you try play the racist card, then you bring in things that don't cover the face at all.

Hoodie - Doesn't cover the face, unless wore like a cunt.

Low hat - It's a hat. It doesn't cover your face.

Umbrella - It's an instrument used to keep yourself out of the rain. You can't walk into a bank and cue up with an umbrella in your face.

Paper bags - lolwhut? Perfect point of you trying too hard.

The internet - See above.

Motorcycle Helmet - Used to protect from danger/damage. You wont see people in banks, or theme parks. or football stadiums or whatever, walking around with a Motorcycle helmet on.

Burka - Used to cover your face.

And just to add something else to this topic... It's not just Muslim women who wear them. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-wearing-burka-carries-out-jewellery-shop-raid-1965191.html

Banning the Burka is a great thing to do.

Oh, and another... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409376/Man-dons-burka-flee-anti-terror-police.html



                            

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Lostplanet22 on 13 July 2010
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.


You can see the face of nuns don't ya?  And wow their are no african nuns in your country?

1)ive met less friendly nuns than friendly muslim women.

why you need to see the face? dont you use an IM client? we gonna ban them too?

1)  Did I say muslim women are less friendly than nuns?

why need to see the face...maybe for proper identification of the person? This issue all stared with a group of Burqa women who did not wanted to let the police show their face...'I wear a burqa because no men should see me and then you ask to show myself what is the point of my burqa then'?  Can women wear an burqa on UK airports?  Can they go to an bank? can they do their exams on school? Can they find work with one? Without showing their face?  If not they are screwed...

why not? what do you not like about them hiding there faces?

If they show their face when police asks to do..or at situations when proper identification is needed I don't have a problem with it all...If they refuse then they should not be surprised that a country/city wants to ban it...but yeah if they accept it.....it will be hard to say I am for a ban or not...What is more important that the women have the right to wear it...or ban it so no husband can demand to wear it...Allowing it can make other husbands demand it aswell...

Sadly it does not help aswell that some use a burqa aswell to use criminal activities I though their was an accident in London aswell last year..



 

SciFiBoy on 13 July 2010

@Carl - so, basically, because you dont like them?

pathetic.

and finding rare cases where poeple use them to commit a crime is stupid, I can easily do the same for hoodies and such.



A Bad Clown on 13 July 2010

They ban this and not grossly hairy legs on women and rotten cheese?



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SciFiBoy on 13 July 2010
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Lostplanet22 said:
SciFiBoy said:

also, are they going to ban Nuns from wearing their dress? no, of course not, because nuns are normally white christians.


You can see the face of nuns don't ya?  And wow their are no african nuns in your country?

1)ive met less friendly nuns than friendly muslim women.

why you need to see the face? dont you use an IM client? we gonna ban them too?

1)  Did I say muslim women are less friendly than nuns?

why need to see the face...maybe for proper identification of the person? This issue all stared with a group of Burqa women who did not wanted to let the police show their face...'I wear a burqa because no men should see me and then you ask to show myself what is the point of my burqa then'?  Can women wear an burqa on UK airports?  Can they go to an bank? can they do their exams on school? Can they find work with one? Without showing their face?  If not they are screwed...

why not? what do you not like about them hiding there faces?

If they show their face when police asks to do..or at situations when proper identification is needed I don't have a problem with it all...If they refuse then they should not be surprised that a country/city wants to ban it...but yeah if they accept it.....it will be hard to say I am for a ban or not...What is more important that the women have the right to wear it...or ban it so no husband can demand to wear it...Allowing it can make other husbands demand it aswell...

Sadly it does not help aswell that some use a burqa aswell to use criminal activities I though their was an accident in London aswell last year..


thats fine, if police ask them, they should, if they refuse, then they should find something to do then, but banning them for all because of that is stupid, its like banning all cats because one cat scratched a policeman.



Lostplanet22 on 13 July 2010
SciFiBoy said:

so, basically, because you morons dont like them?

pathetic.

and finding rare cases where poeple use them to commit a crime is stupid, I can easily do the same for hoodies and such.


Very constructive....I did not say I did not liked burqa's....

Ask your wife to wear one...If she does not like to wear one is she an moron aswell? 

If someone with an hoodie commits a crime (like robbery) their is a chance the camara's have his face....Also the workers in the store have a high chance of sawing the person's face..  With an burqa that is an other story..