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NJ5 said:

I don't think banning the burka is the way to go about it, but if it got banned in Egypt and Turkey I'm inclined to think there must be something seriously wrong about it...

If it's about women oppression, and this oppression is widespread, perhaps it would be better to work from that angle. Oppression of any kind should not be allowed in Europe.

how do you prove oppression when the "victim" is happy and doesnt consider herself as a victim ... meaning, according to me, she is NOT a victim ?



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johnsobas said:
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Pyro as Bill said:

Banning the burkha is un-British says UK governement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10674973

"Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do,"

"Britain is a free country. We value our freedoms and we don't want MPs or the government telling British citizens what they can or can't wear."

 

Shame, the government doesn't listen to the vast majority of the citizens. In a recent Yougov poll 67.2% of people in the UK want the Burka banned.

I would argue it that the Burka is "un-British"

I think if the burka got banned I really wouldn't lose sleep over it, in the end this is a secular nation so if it did get banned we should just respect it as that is what the majority of the citizens wants.

 

I do not live there and don't ever want to wear one, it is a secular nation but the people are supposed to have the freedom of speech and religion.  The secular part only comes into play when you are talking about things like schools, not walking down a public street.  You can't force people to be secular in public places and claim you have the freedoms they say they do. This is a culture war, plain and simple.  They don't want the Muslims to leave, they want them to force them to be more like the French while still milking their cheap labor. 

- too bad that most of the muslim living in France .... are French

- You are not that right about the "culture war".
You should be aware that, outside burka, you can basically do whatever you want to do as a muslim in France.
French governement is EVEN building mosquee for them with my own money (while it is suppose to be muslim people that build mosquee with their money ...)
Some are even praying in the street that is agaisnt the law
Some can even get "special muslim time" in piscine to allow muslim girl to go to piscine without men inside ...

We are clearly oppressing muslim people ... so true.



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pastro243 said:

Well, the only problem I see is that what would happen if I or anyone wanted to wear one of those just because they want too, I dont agree with the ban in that case. Considering many women are forced to wear those it makes think: Fuck the Burkas.

So, in a way, I think the law isnt good because it doesnt let you wear what you could want to wear, and in another way, it prevents some males forcing women to wear them so I like that effect. But, I think this law could be perfected.

On another side of the discussion, its true, you have to accept the laws of whatever country you live or are visiting, but that doesnt make the laws good, if 95% of the people believe something it doesnt make it a good law. If 80% of people want to affect the rights of other 5% without a good and legitimate reason(like limiting the use of polluting substances for the sake of the enviorment) it doesnt make it right, so it could be interpreted like this affects your right of choice for the sake of nothing.

I dont think its for security reasons, I think its to fight some cultural things that go against our western way of seeing things, forcing a woman to wear something isnt correct in our western world and that shouldnt be allowed in a country that has this thinking, thats what I think this law is for.

As someone said, if it was for me, Id make a law to punish the people that force other people to wear them, but that surely may be punished by preexisting laws, and even if those women wont wear those things, I think they will be under the power of their male counterparts in other ways. So well, thats the way I see it.

I like this post

Neverthless, remember : u cant prove "oppression" if the girl herslef agree with it ...



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libellule said:
NJ5 said:

I don't think banning the burka is the way to go about it, but if it got banned in Egypt and Turkey I'm inclined to think there must be something seriously wrong about it...

If it's about women oppression, and this oppression is widespread, perhaps it would be better to work from that angle. Oppression of any kind should not be allowed in Europe.

how do you prove oppression when the "victim" is happy and doesnt consider herself as a victim ... meaning, according to me, she is NOT a victim ?


Many people who suffer domestic violence still want to be with their abusive partners... But they're still victims, and domestic violence is still a crime no matter whether others enjoy it or not.



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NJ5 said:
libellule said:
NJ5 said:

I don't think banning the burka is the way to go about it, but if it got banned in Egypt and Turkey I'm inclined to think there must be something seriously wrong about it...

If it's about women oppression, and this oppression is widespread, perhaps it would be better to work from that angle. Oppression of any kind should not be allowed in Europe.

how do you prove oppression when the "victim" is happy and doesnt consider herself as a victim ... meaning, according to me, she is NOT a victim ?


Many people who suffer domestic violence still want to be with their abusive partners... But they're still victims, and domestic violence is still a crime no matter whether others enjoy it or not.

hum ... problem is you need the agreement of the "victim". If she is not enought "openminded" to recognise herselve as a victim because she overfears or the accepts her situation then ... it is dead IMO

In clear, even if domestic violence is a problem quite difficult to deal with. Burqa is even harder.



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libellule said:
NJ5 said:
libellule said:
NJ5 said:

I don't think banning the burka is the way to go about it, but if it got banned in Egypt and Turkey I'm inclined to think there must be something seriously wrong about it...

If it's about women oppression, and this oppression is widespread, perhaps it would be better to work from that angle. Oppression of any kind should not be allowed in Europe.

how do you prove oppression when the "victim" is happy and doesnt consider herself as a victim ... meaning, according to me, she is NOT a victim ?


Many people who suffer domestic violence still want to be with their abusive partners... But they're still victims, and domestic violence is still a crime no matter whether others enjoy it or not.

hum ... problem is you need the agreement of the "victim". If she is not enought "openminded" to recognise herselve as a victim because she overfears or the accepts her situation then ... it is dead IMO

In clear, even if domestic violence is a problem quite difficult to deal with. Burqa is even harder.

 

I agree with your point that it's hard to prove. I was replying more to the part I bolded now in your previous post ^.



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