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steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.

really? Thats your argument? really? wow.

it provides a perfect illustration. now you need accept that view or admit you are wrong.


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.

Ad-hominem is ok then? You lost your high ground first paragraph.



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steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.

really? Thats your argument? really? wow.

it provides a perfect illustration. now you need accept that view or admit you are wrong.


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.


and here you are making personal attacks and attempts of intimidation because you have realized your own sad arguments for what they are.

the comments are both extreme and inflammatory.



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SciFiBoy said:
MrBubbles said:

ninjabee is a small team(3 employees according to their wiki page) and have made a number of good games for xbla(including the recently released Ancients of Ooga[go buy it]).  they dont feel that need to work in less competitive environment just because they are a small team and clearly dont feel that theyve been slaughtered...


you really are a vile excuse for a human being, you know that? if you got hit by a bus, no-one would care and the bus would drive off.

definitely the sort of responses i expect from you.  and you know what...i forgive you.  you can walk around with all your hate festering inside you if you wish...but you wont be able to spread it to me.



"I like my steaks how i like my women.  Bloody and all over my face"

"Its like sex, but with a winner!"

MrBubbles Review Threads: Bill Gates, Jak II, Kingdom Hearts II, The Strangers, Sly 2, Crackdown, Zohan, Quarantine, Klungo Sssavesss Teh World, MS@E3'08, WATCHMEN(movie), Shadow of the Colossus, The Saboteur

WilliamWatts said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:

i have no problem with his choice of how he sells his product.  i have an issue with him making the claim that the one service is a slaughterhouse...a place designed for the destruction of small developers.   if i said that blacks are rapists and whites are murderers, is this ok?  its my opinion so everyone should just accept that i feel differently than them and accept my claims.

really? Thats your argument? really? wow.

it provides a perfect illustration. now you need accept that view or admit you are wrong.


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.

Ad-hominem is ok then? You lost your high ground first paragraph.

maybe im not familiar with the term ad-hominem but doesnt it just mean argument or persuasion, arent there different kinds?

If thinking that comparing this topic to rape and murder in a racists context is inapproprate is me being on "high ground" then ill stay on the high ground, not budging from that, sorry.



MrBubbles said:
steverhcp02 said:
MrBubbles said:


it provides a perfect illustration. now you need accept that view or admit you are wrong.


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.


and here you are making personal attacks and attempts of intimidation because you have realized your own sad arguments for what they are.

the comments are both extreme and inflammatory.

How am making personal attacks? I feel your debate is weak based on your outlandish analogies and i find that you so easily compare what this topic is about to rape and murder in a racial context sad.

Was i really being "intimidating" in my post? Sorry if i came across that way, i just know people who have gone through the experiences youve mentioned and i personally think its in poor taste to try to use that shock and extreme analogy when we both know there are grey areas to any rule.

My point still remains, he and his company are entitled to their opinion on why they chose to self publish their videogame, you want to argue hes wrong or that i should then be okay with your saying racists things about rape and murder....i just dont find that to be a compelling argument, sorry.



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steverhcp02 said:
WilliamWatts said:
steverhcp02 said:


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.

Ad-hominem is ok then? You lost your high ground first paragraph.

maybe im not familiar with the term ad-hominem but doesnt it just mean argument or persuasion, arent there different kinds?

If thinking that comparing this topic to rape and murder in a racists context is inapproprate is me being on "high ground" then ill stay on the high ground, not budging from that, sorry.

It means attack on the person. Its just as distasteful in a debate as his analogy.



WilliamWatts said:
steverhcp02 said:
WilliamWatts said:
steverhcp02 said:


No, it surely does not. Making comments about rape and murder as if they are some joke or some chess piece to your debate is childish and immature. 

Anytime someone uses incredibly extreme (and usually tasteless) analogies it shows a weak counterpoint because they feel the need to be overly compensating for their lack of argument by making shock comments to prove some absolute extreme.

Youre lack of ability to distinguish the difference from racism, tasteless very serious accusations that are not only illegal acts but traumatizing acts and a game devloper stating a reason for wanting to publish a game themselves on a different platform is rather sad.

Ad-hominem is ok then? You lost your high ground first paragraph.

maybe im not familiar with the term ad-hominem but doesnt it just mean argument or persuasion, arent there different kinds?

If thinking that comparing this topic to rape and murder in a racists context is inapproprate is me being on "high ground" then ill stay on the high ground, not budging from that, sorry.

It means attack on the person. Its just as distasteful in a debate as his analogy.

Well, sorry if i gave that impression, re-reading my post i can see how it comes off that way but i did say "making comments about rape and murder.....is childish and immature" thus i wasnt saying HE was, im saying i feel his arguments basis is, which i stand by...i feel those types of arguments arent compelling and are weak, i never said anything about the poster.



steverhcp02 said:
WilliamWatts said:

It means attack on the person. Its just as distasteful in a debate as his analogy.

Well, sorry if i gave that impression, re-reading my post i can see how it comes off that way but i did say "making comments about rape and murder.....is childish and immature" thus i wasnt saying HE was, im saying i feel his arguments basis is, which i stand by...i feel those types of arguments arent compelling and are weak, i never said anything about the poster.

I wasn't bothered by it. I just wanted to make it clear that by engaging with him in such a way you were infact bringing yourself down to his level. Probably your best course of action would have been to report his distasteful comment because from what I recall he has been banned for similar in the past.



WilliamWatts said:
steverhcp02 said:
WilliamWatts said:

It means attack on the person. Its just as distasteful in a debate as his analogy.

Well, sorry if i gave that impression, re-reading my post i can see how it comes off that way but i did say "making comments about rape and murder.....is childish and immature" thus i wasnt saying HE was, im saying i feel his arguments basis is, which i stand by...i feel those types of arguments arent compelling and are weak, i never said anything about the poster.

I wasn't bothered by it. I just wanted to make it clear that by engaging with him in such a way you were infact bringing yourself down to his level. Probably your best course of action would have been to report his distasteful comment because from what I recall he has been banned for similar in the past.

Good call. This is what happens on my day off, i watch 30 Rock reruns and stay on vgchartz too much, haha.



That explains why the PC is the best for indie games still.



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