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twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:

Why are the sales of an MMO brought up?

Success is counted in number of suscribers.... Every year, each suscriber has paid about the price of 2 fully priced games in fees.... so 200K suscribers is probably the equivalent of a 1.5M selling regular game (with price decrease), revenue wise.


Actually, most people that actually play FFXI and get a job above at least 60 has more than one character.  I believe I had my main, my alt, and four mules so I was paying an extra $6 a month.


I played for 6-7 years. Only payed for a main. Never gave in for mules or alts.



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Wagram said:
twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:

Why are the sales of an MMO brought up?

Success is counted in number of suscribers.... Every year, each suscriber has paid about the price of 2 fully priced games in fees.... so 200K suscribers is probably the equivalent of a 1.5M selling regular game (with price decrease), revenue wise.


Actually, most people that actually play FFXI and get a job above at least 60 has more than one character.  I believe I had my main, my alt, and four mules so I was paying an extra $6 a month.


I played for 6-7 years. Only payed for a main. Never gave in for mules or alts.

Yeah, but I'm also assuming that since you don't macro then you also don't equipment switch for the various spells and situations.  I wouldn't be surpised if you're the type of person that doesn't have sneak oils/invis powders on you at all times, probably doesn't use food, and probably doesn't craft.

Even if you have 120 slots and a satchel having a single properly equipped character is a stretch.

It can be done, you're living proof, but it sure makes it hard to craft, carry consumables, have proper equipment, and do extras like BCNM's and the likes.



twesterm said:
Wagram said:
twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:

Why are the sales of an MMO brought up?

Success is counted in number of suscribers.... Every year, each suscriber has paid about the price of 2 fully priced games in fees.... so 200K suscribers is probably the equivalent of a 1.5M selling regular game (with price decrease), revenue wise.


Actually, most people that actually play FFXI and get a job above at least 60 has more than one character.  I believe I had my main, my alt, and four mules so I was paying an extra $6 a month.


I played for 6-7 years. Only payed for a main. Never gave in for mules or alts.

Yeah, but I'm also assuming that since you don't macro then you also don't equipment switch for the various spells and situations.  I wouldn't be surpised if you're the type of person that doesn't have sneak oils/invis powders on you at all times, probably doesn't use food, and probably doesn't craft.

Even if you have 120 slots and a satchel having a single properly equipped character is a stretch.

It can be done, you're living proof, but it sure makes it hard to craft, carry consumables, have proper equipment, and do extras like BCNM's and the likes.

I had all of those things, except I was skimy on the oils powders. It was a pain sometimes but I managed. I abused the hell out of the delivery system.

Also I used Macros, just not on mage classes. I needed to feel more involved than just standing there. I would have went insane.



twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:

Why are the sales of an MMO brought up?

Success is counted in number of suscribers.... Every year, each suscriber has paid about the price of 2 fully priced games in fees.... so 200K suscribers is probably the equivalent of a 1.5M selling regular game (with price decrease), revenue wise.


Actually, most people that actually play FFXI and get a job above at least 60 has more than one character.  I believe I had my main, my alt, and four mules so I was paying an extra $6 a month.

Holy ****, four mules ? ... okay I had like 3 and I was just lvl 89 cooking ... :<

Not great money, but at least I never paid for my food.



ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
Wagram said:
ssj12 said:

Dude seriously, my mom's laptop will run FFXIV and it was a $450 laptop. We all know laptop parts are shit compared to desktop parts and for $450 I could build a pretty decent desktop.


Yeah you can run it. But how well can you run it? On a 450 laptop your probably going to get a 1000 or less benchmark score which is bare bones with lag.


not true, I just installed my GTX480 and now have 6GBs of ram. Do you want to know how much of an improvement on the benchmark I gained? 40 points. My system scores a 2248 now. The benchmark is trash. Plain and simple. It tests nothing but CPU preformance with threading and does ia piss poor job at it since my CPU gets a P18990 running 3dMark Vantage which is a pretty good score.

As for the specs of my mom's laptop. 3GBs of ram, HD3xxx mobile (its mid-grade, just forget exact model), and an Athlon II CPU running at 2.1GHz. It can run FFXI easily and actually run Crysis on low (at like 25fps but still it runs it). I havent tested the system with 3dmark or anything else but if I was to guess what it would score CPU wise I'd place it maybe around P14000 which is 1000 points above my Athlon X2 4600 .

my friend, my CPU never went above 30% during those tests..... that thing is pretty video card heavy.....Wagram has almost the same setup that I do besides the video card and I kicked his ass by 700 points because I have a 5870 and he has a 5850, I think it's just that your CPU is too old at this point, I'll try running that benchmark on my 4400 MPC with a 3870 and update on the score when I get home so we can compare results.

My CPU is only a year and a hlaf old. Athlon X2 7750BE oced to 3.03GHz. My Athlon X2 isnt the old K8 processors. Its based of AMD's K10 series.

lets hope I don't get close or higher than you then, cause then there is something wrong....


Ya, its a CPU stresser. I just ran CPUTemp with EVGA Precision and watched usage. My CPU usage maxed to 100% while GPU stayed around 25% max. And my score this time was 2015. Something is massively screwed up with this benchmark. Its not using my system correctly at all. Especially since I just OCed my GTX480, which is stronger than your GPU at stock, by 30MHz on both processor and memory.

it's pretty much the opposite with my i7 860, CPU doesn't go over 30% and GPU blows it up, I ran it on my 4400 with a 3850 AGP and got about 1400 btw so I think there really is something wrong with the benchmark when working with your setup. That or you are CPU capped and should get a quad to hex core.

Dude you have a Core i7. Of course you wont max out the CPU. The benchmark is probably a port of the PS3 version of the Crystal engine which means it supports the Cell processor and RSX.

My CPU normally outperforms most Core 2 Duo made as well as the Phenom X3 is most benchmarts. it even beats the Core 2 Quad 6600 in some benchmarks. IF I can run Crysis on Very High, I can run FFXIV.


hence I said that there is something wrong with the benchmark when running on your machine lol, have you tried a new install of windows?



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zero129 said:
poroporo said:
twesterm said:
Hephaestos said:

Why are the sales of an MMO brought up?

Success is counted in number of suscribers.... Every year, each suscriber has paid about the price of 2 fully priced games in fees.... so 200K suscribers is probably the equivalent of a 1.5M selling regular game (with price decrease), revenue wise.


Actually, most people that actually play FFXI and get a job above at least 60 has more than one character.  I believe I had my main, my alt, and four mules so I was paying an extra $6 a month.

Holy ****, four mules ? ... okay I had like 3 and I was just lvl 89 cooking ... :<

Not great money, but at least I never paid for my food.

Am i the only one that dont know what ye are talking about?, and here i was planining on getting this game as my first MORPG but ye all make it sound so complixe (Spelling wrong im drunk muhahha)


Mules are characters that people buy to hold their stuff. These are completely optional. But are useful is some cases. They only cost 1 extra dollar on your monthy bill in both XI and XIV.



Bah...just call up Sega and tell Sonic Team to make a PROPER PSO sequal with current gen tech.

 

Problem solved.



Nintari said:

Bah...just call up Sega and tell Sonic Team to make a PROPER PSO sequal with current gen tech.

 

Problem solved.


Too bad Sonic Team totally lost it. How many years has it been without a decent game? Sonic 4 better blow my mind... :/

It won't happen.

 

@zero: Basically when you start crafting things, you'll run out of inventory space quickly enough. The solution is to create spare level 1 characters whose sole purpose will be to "hold" your stuff. They can also be used to overcome some crafting limits.



twesterm said:
dahuman said:
Killiana1a said:

I am going to say what is on every Western gamer's mind, but they are afraid to say it because they don't want to upset their Japanophile friends:

No MMORPG from Japan will ever reach comparable numbers to the World of Warcraft. Why? Final Fantasy is too Japan-centric for those who have never heard of Final Fantasy, while anyone who has read a Lord of the Rings book   or a Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance fantasy novel inspired by J.R.R. Tolkien can easily relate to Warcraft.

Final Fantasy 11 has been out since 2002 and according to Wikipedia (take it how you want to take it), "In April 2009, Square Enix announced that the total number of active characters exceeded 2 million for the first time in game history."

7 years to reach 2 million monthly subscribers, while when I played the World of Warcraft exclusively from January 2007 until July 2009, the lowest subscriber number I ran across was 6 million according to the WoW Census on www.warcraftrealms.com.

Redressing Final Fantasy 11 as Final Fantasy 14 is cute, but the past numbers speak for themselves and portend what is more than likely to come in the future.

I would call Final Fantasy 11 a failure in comparison to the World of Warcraft, but that is as trite as saying "its hot" during a sunny day.


You do realize that WoW crushes western MMORPGs too right? Fucking destroys them, at least FF11 is still making money which is not something I can say about a lot of other MMOs that blew up or are dying atm, from the west of course.


Yeah, I think he forgot that FFXI is one of the few successful MMO's out there.  About five years ago there were countless MMO's coming out trying to cash in on WoW's success.  The few that actually even released lasted almost no time at all.

Saying FFXI wasn't a success since WoW sales so greatly outnumbered it is as stupid as saying Bioshock wasn't a success because Modern Warfare 2 sales so greatly outnumbered it.  Just because something isn't the best or highest selling doesn't mean it's automatically a failure.

 

No, I have not forgotten. I still remember playing Anarchy Online and cancelling it after a month of playing.

As for comparing every MMORPG to WoW it is the necessary and right thing to do as WoW set the benchmark, is still the MMORPG leader, and is the game to build one's MMORPG around in order to usurp WoW's throne.

I was still playing WoW when Age of Conan and Warhammer Online came out. A few guildies left to play one or both, but sure enough, they were back within a month or two. I have not forgotten.

As for the comparison between Bioshock and Modern Warfare 2, you are right eventhough you are leaving out the massive marketing push that Modern Warfare 2 had.

As for a game being a failure or not, MMORPGS are judged on their monthly subscribers more than first week and first month sales alone. That being said, I am perfectly right and irrefutable in saying that Final Fantasy 11 has been a failure in comparison to WoW because it took 7 years for Final Fantasy 11 to reach 2 million subscribers, while WoW did that in less than 6 months.

As for the original question by the OP or should I say whine from Square Enix, Square Enix is expecting Microsoft via Xbox Live to provide a free lunch in the form of Microsoft taking the tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars per month to own, run and maintain the Final Fantasy 14 servers.

I can understand why Microsoft would be hostile to giving Square Enix something for nothing.



dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:
dahuman said:
ssj12 said:

My CPU is only a year and a hlaf old. Athlon X2 7750BE oced to 3.03GHz. My Athlon X2 isnt the old K8 processors. Its based of AMD's K10 series.

lets hope I don't get close or higher than you then, cause then there is something wrong....


Ya, its a CPU stresser. I just ran CPUTemp with EVGA Precision and watched usage. My CPU usage maxed to 100% while GPU stayed around 25% max. And my score this time was 2015. Something is massively screwed up with this benchmark. Its not using my system correctly at all. Especially since I just OCed my GTX480, which is stronger than your GPU at stock, by 30MHz on both processor and memory.

it's pretty much the opposite with my i7 860, CPU doesn't go over 30% and GPU blows it up, I ran it on my 4400 with a 3850 AGP and got about 1400 btw so I think there really is something wrong with the benchmark when working with your setup. That or you are CPU capped and should get a quad to hex core.

Dude you have a Core i7. Of course you wont max out the CPU. The benchmark is probably a port of the PS3 version of the Crystal engine which means it supports the Cell processor and RSX.

My CPU normally outperforms most Core 2 Duo made as well as the Phenom X3 is most benchmarts. it even beats the Core 2 Quad 6600 in some benchmarks. IF I can run Crysis on Very High, I can run FFXIV.


hence I said that there is something wrong with the benchmark when running on your machine lol, have you tried a new install of windows?

Reinstalling Windows is normally a useless tradition. If you really want to refresh windows without having to reinstall or restore everything just install a service pack again. That normally works. Otherwise use ccleaner and defraggler.

Still I could use the Windows 7 SP1 beta I guess. Still not really needed. I think the benchmark is just poorly made. Especially since the rumored recommended specs are pretty pathetic I should be great.



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