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TheRealMafoo said:
Final-Fan said:

@ mafoo:  Obama the worst EVER, really? 


Yes. For two reasons.

One is the only way they US will ever fall, is if we destroy ourselves, and the only way any county in the past that was in our situation has failed, is economically. No administration before this one has been so carless with out economy.

To be honest, the real ones to blame for that is out Congress, but what's going to break America are the programs Obama is pushing. If Congress did there job well, they would have just told him no.

The other, and this might come from him growing up abroad, is his views on what a president of the united states should be is all wrong. He is nothing more then an elected official who's job it to represent the people. It's hard for 300,000,000 people to have a meeting with the leader of Russia, so we effectively hire a guy to be our voice in that meeting. Obama sees his position more as a ruler, as a position a King would have. He feels it's his responsibility to "improve" the US even if it's in a direction most of America does not want to take. He thinks he was elected to reshape us, to use his wisdom to teach us what's right.

He is not the first to have these views, but of all presidents before him, he is the most extreme at each individually, and so combined, he is by far the worse president we have ever had.

I would rather have a dumb lazy president, then a smart motivated one who does what this one is doing.

All Obama's done is pass a questionable healthcare bill which doesn't really do anything and get rid of a few nukes. Your financial system isn't on the brink of collapse. This isn't Homefront. North and South Korea aren't going to unite as a Greater Communist Republic, annex Japan and cut power across North America.

Erm, what I'm trying to say is that one man can't run the country into the ground like you're saying. Hell, he even tries it, he'll have ten assassins on his tail.

Out of interest, what exactly is he doing to bring about the collapse of the United States?



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Kantor said:

Out of interest, what exactly is he doing to bring about the collapse of the United States?


As I said in a previous post, it's not just him. If he was the sole problem, we could just replace him and the US would be fine.

What he, and the rest of Washington, is doing that will collapse the United States, is spend money at an unsustainable rate. All world powers that have fallen, have falling from a lack of fiscal responsibility.



TheRealMafoo said:

When corporations have to much power, they abuse it. When governments have to much power, they abuse it (almost every time they abuse it worse).

Its true that both government and businesses can become corrupt with power, but it is much better to give power to a democratic government than to a private business because the government is held accountable by the people through elections, whereas a business is not.

A democratic government is not able to mistreat its citizens, which is why in all areas of this type of government you will see politicians and officials pandering to the populations will, from city officials putting in the driveway in front of your house in the way you want it to presidents promising what the people want.

Businesses are not held accountable.  They are able to bribe and force others to follow their whim.  BP is a great example of this, they broke common sense safety standards that led to the Gulf Oil Spill and were involved in getting a terrorist released so they can obtain drilling rights in Libya.  Worse, you cannot boycott a major business like BP like you can some some smaller businesses (even though that generally doesn't work anyway).  No matter what consumers do to BP, they will be making the same profits as long as there is a market demand for oil.

If you prefer a world where businesses have all the power and are not held accountable, then you are crazy.



numonex said:

 

Socialist freedom fighter, fighting against the tyranny that is Global capitalism. Stop the Capitalist take over of the entire world. stop the spread of US democracy. Oppose the IMF and the World Bank. Oppose Free Trade agreements. Oppose the New World Order. Stop the wars now, end the madness in the Middle East. Save local jobs, oppose immigration. 

It is easier for the world governments to deflate 1 billion people's wealth than lift the living standards of the poor 6 billion people in the world.

For these rich Capitalists trillionaires to maintain their top status in the western world they must enslave the poor with huge debt. The wars are a way of controlling population and strengthening US control and power by eliminating all opposition. Expansion of US Corporate Capitalism in every single country in the world. Easier to control the world when every country is ruled and controlled by the New World Order. New world Order = one world government controls the world's population. 

I have a friend at work that believes in the same bS.  One world government is paranoid BS.  You probably also believe the US govt is gonna enslave all its citizens in labor camps and call for martial law.  You probably also believe everything that has happened in American history is a govt conspiracy.



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ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:

When corporations have to much power, they abuse it. When governments have to much power, they abuse it (almost every time they abuse it worse).

Its true that both government and businesses can become corrupt with power, but it is much better to give power to a democratic government than to a private business because the government is held accountable by the people through elections, whereas a business is not.

A democratic government is not able to mistreat its citizens, which is why in all areas of this type of government you will see politicians and officials pandering to the populations will, from city officials putting in the driveway in front of your house in the way you want it to presidents promising what the people want.

Businesses are not held accountable.  They are able to bribe and force others to follow their whim.  BP is a great example of this, they broke common sense safety standards that led to the Gulf Oil Spill and were involved in getting a terrorist released so they can obtain drilling rights in Libya.  Worse, you cannot boycott a major business like BP like you can some some smaller businesses (even though that generally doesn't work anyway).  No matter what consumers do to BP, they will be making the same profits as long as there is a market demand for oil.

If you prefer a world where businesses have all the power and are not held accountable, then you are crazy.


In my post I said I don't want either to have that much power. Everyone talks about Bush relaxing the standards for drilling, but BP got hundreds of wavers from those standards. They didn't even have to meet them. Why? Because they are the oil provider for the federal government.

You can blame BP (and they deserve it), but if you don't blame Washington just as much for this problem, your crazy.

And sorry, but I 100% disagree with your views. Obama is doing a horrible job, but he gets to keep doing that job for 2.5 more years, baring him doing anything illegal. If my grocery store starts selling poor quality food, I can replace them in an instant.

I buy my gas from Shell. if Shell does something I don't like, I can buy gas from Exxon. In the corporate world, I have complete choices every day of where 100% of my efforts go. In the government world, I have a very small choice once every 2, 4, 6 years where my efforts go.

I take choice any day.



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TheRealMafoo said:

I 100% disagree with your views. Obama is doing a horrible job, but he gets to keep doing that job for 2.5 more years, baring him doing anything illegal. If my grocery store starts selling poor quality food, I can replace them in an instant.

I buy my gas from Shell. if Shell does something I don't like, I can buy gas from Exxon. In the corporate world, I have complete choices every day of where 100% of my efforts go. In the government world, I have a very small choice once every 2, 4, 6 years where my efforts go.

I take choice any day.

If Obama doesn't do what 50% of Americans do, he is gone in 2 years.  Same goes for every other politician in a democratic system, if they don't keep the people happy then they are gone.  To argue that you don't have choice in a democratic system is insane.

It doesn't matter who you buy gas from, BP will still make the same amount of profit as long as oil prices stay high.  The only way you can affect BP as a consumer is not to buy gasoline.  Not a realistic choice.  Same goes for countless other companies.  For instance, it doesn't matter what grocery store you go to, you have to get your meat from Smithfield or Tyson. I am forced to get internet from Comcast and I am forced to get water from American Water, and if I don't like it then I can wait for my dial-up to load webpages while I take a bath in Dasani water.



TheRealMafoo said:

If 10,000 mayors controlled all the money, where would a corporation go to try and buy political power? If a Mayor had to answer to 50,000 people to get elected, he would have to be a lot less corrupt then a president.

This is how you fix tyranny. Not by taking an organization who has half the power now, and giving them all of it. When you do that, you create a dictator, not a country free of tyranny.

No, it's not. Getting a large number of people to agree on something is incredibly difficult and time consuming. Nothing would get done. There's a reason the "Founding Fathers" made the US a republic and not a full democracy like you have right there. It's finding the right balance between granting freedom for the people and power for the government.

 

Bearing in mind history and humanity's mistakes with governments, we humans have been experimenting with the right balance for government control since the beginning concept of a ruling body. The US government may be a flawed concept still, but I am confident humanity is on the right track regardless.



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johnsobas said:
numonex said:

 

Socialist freedom fighter, fighting against the tyranny that is Global capitalism. Stop the Capitalist take over of the entire world. stop the spread of US democracy. Oppose the IMF and the World Bank. Oppose Free Trade agreements. Oppose the New World Order. Stop the wars now, end the madness in the Middle East. Save local jobs, oppose immigration. 

It is easier for the world governments to deflate 1 billion people's wealth than lift the living standards of the poor 6 billion people in the world.

For these rich Capitalists trillionaires to maintain their top status in the western world they must enslave the poor with huge debt. The wars are a way of controlling population and strengthening US control and power by eliminating all opposition. Expansion of US Corporate Capitalism in every single country in the world. Easier to control the world when every country is ruled and controlled by the New World Order. New world Order = one world government controls the world's population. 

I have a friend at work that believes in the same bS.  One world government is paranoid BS.  You probably also believe the US govt is gonna enslave all its citizens in labor camps and call for martial law.  You probably also believe everything that has happened in American history is a govt conspiracy.

I will write a thread to address the issue of the New World Order. One world government controlled over the world in every country is indeed fact. Neo-liberalism is the philosophy that structures and organises the economy to be controlled by the Corporate Elite, governed by the New world Order. Globalisation is New World Order.



ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:

I 100% disagree with your views. Obama is doing a horrible job, but he gets to keep doing that job for 2.5 more years, baring him doing anything illegal. If my grocery store starts selling poor quality food, I can replace them in an instant.

I buy my gas from Shell. if Shell does something I don't like, I can buy gas from Exxon. In the corporate world, I have complete choices every day of where 100% of my efforts go. In the government world, I have a very small choice once every 2, 4, 6 years where my efforts go.

I take choice any day.

If Obama doesn't do what 50% of Americans do, he is gone in 2 years.  Same goes for every other politician in a democratic system, if they don't keep the people happy then they are gone.  To argue that you don't have choice in a democratic system is insane.

It doesn't matter who you buy gas from, BP will still make the same amount of profit as long as oil prices stay high.  The only way you can affect BP as a consumer is not to buy gasoline.  Not a realistic choice.  Same goes for countless other companies.  For instance, it doesn't matter what grocery store you go to, you have to get your meat from Smithfield or Tyson. I am forced to get internet from Comcast and I am forced to get water from American Water, and if I don't like it then I can wait for my dial-up to load webpages while I take a bath in Dasani water.

I don't care what BP makes, I only care how much I contribute to what they make. I contribute nothing. If someone else fined there product worth buying, then they have all the right in the world to sell it.

Most people have the option to dig a well. I have a well on my property. Now, if you have city water, then that's the best choice, but it's not your only choice. If it is, it's because the government made it your only choice, not business.

DSL and Satellite can be plenty fast. You buy Comcast, because it's the best option.

And I never said you don't have a choice with government, I just said it's infinity smaller of a choice then you have with free enterprise.



Vertigo-X said:

No, it's not. Getting a large number of people to agree on something is incredibly difficult and time consuming. Nothing would get done. There's a reason the "Founding Fathers" made the US a republic and not a full democracy like you have right there. It's finding the right balance between granting freedom for the people and power for the government.


Not sure I follow. This is not a new idea. Today we have thousands of mayor's and county commissioner's with budgets. They would do what they do today, they would just have a much larger pot of money, and more responsibility.