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BoneArk on 06 July 2010

When I bought my Wii on launch day, I had a SDTV. Now, I have a HDTV and I bought new inputs for my Wii. I hope Nintendo does go HD before 3D.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

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irstupid on 06 July 2010

funny seeing all the posts trying to predict next generation these days.

i mean think back to before this generation started and there would be no predicting just peopel posting some god tier processors saying "OMG it would have such great graphics" and so on.  Pure talk about specs and graphics, nothing inovative at all.

now were guessing 3D, Holographics, projectors, hands free, motion, ect.



dunno001 on 06 July 2010

Sorry, I can't help but laugh at the people who think Nintendo needs to go all-out. Let's look at console histories, shall we?

1st Gen: Standalone dedicated units. There were tons of them to come out, but the best selling, and least powerful, was the original Pong from Atari.

2nd Gen: Cartridge systems pre-crash- Atari 2600, Colecovision, Intellivision, Atari 5200. This is the gen for which I know the fewest specs. I've heard people argue that Atari 2600 was the weakest, but it's not arguable taht it was the most popular. (The mini computers like the Atari 400/800, Commodore 64, and Vic-20 were much more powerful, but none hit the penetration of the 2600.)

3rd Gen: Market revival- NES, Master System, Atari 7800. Again, I do not have the 7800's specs, but the NES was technalogically inferior to the Master System. Like before, I've heard the same with the 7800 being stronger than the NES, from its launch delayed to assess the competition. So the weakest and most popular, the NES, won here.

4th Gen: Renaissance- SNES, Genesis, Turbo-Grapx 16, Neo-Geo *. This gen is the hiccup. The Genesis was limited to 8-bit sound processing versus the other 2, it could do the least per processor cycle, and it could also handle the fewest moving objects. So while Genesis was weakest, and the SNES won, the Genesis took a very respectable second.

5th Gen: New media- N64, PS1, Saturn *. Some have speculated that Sony rushed the PS1 to be able to ahead of known dates for the N64, and the upcoming Sega system. While this is unsubstanciated, it does leave the PS1 as the weakest system this gen. Not that it hurt it any, it won by far in this gen!

6th Gen: The shake-up continues- Gamecube, PS2, XBox, Dreamcast. People have said for a long time, even here, that the PS2 is the weakest system from this era. And they're right. Again, though, not to its detriment.

7th Gen: Move generation- Wii, 360, PS3. If I have to say who's winning and the weakest here, we have a problem...

*: There is dispute as to which gen the Jaguar belongs in- based on its release time, it would fall in the 4th gen; by bit power, it would be 5th gen. It is stronger than both the Genesis and PS1, however.

So what about portables? I don't have info for all the Tiger ones pre-1989, but I can start there.

1st Gen: Gaming goes portable- Game Boy, Game Gear, Lynx, Turbo-Express. The Game Boy was clearly the most crude, aside from the B&W screen. It and the Lynx were the only 8-bit systems, but the Lynx had better processing and sound. But the Game Boy, weakest of all, won.

2nd Gen: Are we color yet?- GBC, Wonderswan. GBC stays 8-bit, but adds color. WS comes along, 16-bit, but... B&W? Despite the color limitation, it was more powerful than the victor.

3rd Gen: Portables catch up- GBA, WSColor. Seeing the error of no color on the WS, the color version was launched to go against the GBA. For handhelds, this is the toughest gen to figure, since both appear to be about equal in power. But they weren't equal in sales...

4th Gen: A little twist- DS, PSP. Again, if I have to say this outcome, there's a problem.

So with the exception of the 4th gen consoles, and maybe 3rd gen portables, the weakest system always wins. Strange, isn't it? And you may have noticed a different pattern in the home consoles, also: the victor changes every 2 generations. We had Pong and 2600, NES and SNES, PS1 and PS2, then Wii and...? Will this continue? Possibly. But is Nintendo going to rush to make their system super-powerful? Absolutely not; look where it got them on the N64...



-dunno001

-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...

jarrod on 06 July 2010

"Super powerful" is relative.  Crafting a $249 machine that outperforms PS3 next fall wouldn't exactly be a challenge... again, 3DS is probably a good indicator of what to expect, comparable to "current gen" rivals in some respects (for 3DS it's geometry), well ahead in others (for 3DS it's shaders and added 3D).  Neither Sony nor Microsoft are really eager to start a new cycle (expect both to hold off until 2012 or later), and this probably also gives Nintendo more breathing room in regards to their next system.  Nintendo releasing a comparable/ahead Wii successor next year would likely open the 3rd party floodgates (or portgates, lol) as well, as (again) is basically happening now with 3DS.  And getting 3rd parties in early with AAA games seems to be key according to Iwata.

If you want to predict Wii 2, just look at 3DS.    DS was a great indicator for Wii strategy wise, you can probably expect the same story this time around...



Metallicube on 06 July 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Metallicube said:

What does motion controls do for gaming? What does touch screen do for gaming? What do dual screens do for gaming?

they brought some interactivity.i am not daying they were good but what are you going to do with projectors,go touch the wall or projecting surface

The next feature for Nintendo's next console doesn't necessarily have to directly change the way games are played, but rather it should simply have a way to differenciate itself and offer an appealing selling point to the console.

don't all companies try to do that,bring something new

Look at the 3DS, it is not necesarilly doing something that changes gaming, but a lot of people are still excited about it, because it differciates itself. It is (right now at least) the only handheld that offers 3D, and it does so without the glasses.

yeah cause it brought something new that wan't avaiable before.projectors are and projects don't enhance your gaming more than a bigger display which can already be done

A projector built in a console, as I said, would offer great flexibility and portability. If somehow able to project on a surface (just a fantasy of mine), it could add a new dimension to games

how would it add dimension to the games and protabilities doesn't come in where you have yo plug it in for power full time and it weighs alot

as they could now be played in a completely different way. Imagine having games on your table, and being able to interact with objects.

interact with objects isn't just projecting it holographic,we don't have perfect 3D with glasses yet and you are talking about this

It's like playing a board game, but digital. Games would become more overhead focused.

consoles aren't for playing boardgame.

its like a nokia mobile projecting keyboard nothing else

We'd have more RTS/God games on consoles, as well as overhead shooters. A game like Starcraft would be perfect on a surface, and with motion controls you could move around objects and initiate commands just by moving your hands and fingers around the table.

first you cannot do project and motion together as console will have to be infront of you so some camera

Maybe I've been doing too many drugs, but I love the idea of playing games like RTS on a table, where you can control things Minority Report style :)

maybe you are just dreaming and just wishing oh mommy why can't that happen or that

This is probably stuff that won't happen for another 20 years, but like I said you never know with Nintendo.

you never know with Nintendo........................lmao

so you think that a 20year future tech and Nintendo will just implement it and have a loss

stop saying you never know with Nintendo as they don't do it till its cheap and you know what you are talking is not possible at cheap prices

They could surprise you. I certainly didn't expect a 3D capable handheld

it wasn't a 20 year future thing.Glassless 3D was available and they are doing it on a small screen.also people are saying that when you move away from the screen the effect goes and thats why it hasn't come on big screen and also that 3D effect is more inside then outside

with near HD console graphics and motion control.

its not near HD consoles graphics,you are jsust wishing here

motion controls have been there in JAPAN mobiles for NTT and other companies for ages

Maybe in like 2015 but I certainly didn't expect it in 2010-2011.

in 2015 we will have full sized glassless 3DTV's at current HDTV prices so its no comparision

Fine then, Einstein. What do YOU think Nintendo's next console will do?

I personally think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZ1MSG5v3g would be awesome for gaming in the future, but I guess you just have no imagination so naturally you would think it's dumb :P

I think something like this would be a logical next step for Nintendo, as it would allow games to be played in different ways, and allow for greater portability. You could project it on the wall, on a surface, or plug it in a TV the traditional way. Miyamoto even said he would like to remove the barrier of TVs for gaming. Well what better way to do that than this?

By the way, if you're going to make counterpoints to EVERYTHING I say, try coming up with something intelligent and insightful to say, all I'm seeing is little more than "lol no ur wrong!!1" or "no that's a bad idea!!!"



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Smidlee on 06 July 2010
Maneco said:
makingmusic476 said:
O-D-C said:

I think Nintendo would go to HD before 3D, they said since the Wii launched that they werent enough HD tv's in the wild and their are even less 3D tv's


Given that multiplats will probably be supporting 3D by then, and assuming the Wii HD will be similar in power (or even stronger) than the ps3/360, it would be silly not to include it from the getgo.

Even if they didn't include it at launch, they could easily enable it via a firmware update ala ps3.

The problem of doing it by firmware update is the capacity of the console generating 3D graphics: like PS3, they are downgraded when doing the double images. If 3D is to be implemented in their next console, it should be planned since from beginning to include it.

ISR previewed GT5 and said nothing about it's graphics being downgraded in 3D.  They said this was a real plus to a racing game like GT5 as it helps to add depth to the track. When it came to choose which they like more in GT5; head tracking vs 3D, they pick 3D.



Solid_Snake4RD on 06 July 2010
jarrod said:

Ugh, this point-by-point-quote-within-quote thing you do is incredibly annoying.  If you're going to respond to me in the future, please don't do it.

i only do it to respond individually to each of your points

Anyway, my only point was that the shader effects already seen in 3DS are closer to 360/PS3 than anything else we know of.

i agree but above you are saying its like 360 and PS3 quality which i didn't agree with

 Obviously 3DS doesn't have near the fillrate, programmability or flexibility they do, but what it's doing is so far beyond PSP...

yes i agree it wold be better than PSP

but is it the leap that we see between 2 generations,not much.would be be comparable to PSP2,which it will not?now i know we don't know PSP2 specs but from whatever  and however we follow gaming,we should know that PSP2 leap will atleast be bigger than this.

if you are gonna go saying Wii is a great system and it is stronger than PS2,GC and XBOX,that doesn't matter.what matters is did it take the leap that 360 and PS3 took.no it didn't.

it's like comparing Dreamcast to Xbox.  Sure, they're within the same "generation" class of spec, but there's a huge difference in capability. There is a readily apparent "leap" here.

yes but the leap should be comparable and the Dreamcast was released far earlier than XBOX,it more like DREAMCAST was released in middle of the PS1 generation not in a new generation

And when I say Wii 2 will be a "generational leap" I was clearly referring in regards to Wii.

yes i think the same but wouldn't you like a leap and it being comparable to PS4 and 720.it would be a generational leap from what PS2.5 to PS3.5.generational leap WOULD ONLY BE WHEN IT IS LEAP COMPARABLE TO the current generation

 Frankly, CELL is a terribly unoptimized chip for gaming,

its a new architecture,would you be saying the same if PC's from 1980's be using CELL then they would have gotten used to the architecture.

 I've no doubt Nintendo will use chip that's weaker on paper, yet appreciably more powerful in the real world for gaming application, and at a much more logically economical pricepoint...

think the same but i have  certain doubts still as PS3 hadn't still been maxed anywhere near

it'll be like PS2 vs GC all over again.

so you saying Wii will be comparable or a little bit over PS360 and be like PS2 vs GC.now PS2 wasn't that behind that Wii.5 vs PS4 will be PS2 vs GC





Solid_Snake4RD on 06 July 2010
Metallicube said:

Fine then, Einstein. What do YOU think Nintendo's next console will do?

better not call anybody names,you could get banned

I personally think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQZ1MSG5v3g would be awesome for gaming in the future,

i got what you had in mind a long time ago,i don't need a video for it.

fthe projector will cost a bomb,after that a good projector with brightness will cost even more.

and the prosessing power needed will be enormous

all this can't be packed in NINTENDO's small prices

but I guess you just have no imagination so naturally you would think it's dumb :P

anybody can imagin anything but it doesn't become a reality if we want

i could imaging HOLGOGRAPHIC,VIRTUAL REALITY, but that isn't gonna happen

you are just whinning like a little boy here who asks mommy why can't i buy that expensive toy

yo really think NINTENDO will just bring a $2000 TECH and everybody will buy.

I think something like this would be a logical next step for Nintendo, as it would allow games to be played in different ways, and allow for greater portability. You could project it on the wall, on a surface, or plug it in a TV the traditional way. Miyamoto even said he would like to remove the barrier of TVs for gaming. Well what better way to do that than this?

and you really just picked out the meaning out of Miyamoto;s comments..........WOW

the TV barrier will go by not so fast and also projector don't provide the same qaulity

By the way, if you're going to make counterpoints to EVERYTHING I say, try coming up with something intelligent and insightful to say, all I'm seeing is little more than "lol no ur wrong!!1" or "no that's a bad idea!!!"

so you are being intelligent here by dreaming and whishing that all this expensive stugg not even refined will just come into NINTENDO's small price





mysticwolf on 06 July 2010

I'll believe it when I see it. That is, when Nintendo has an official announcement.



 Been away for a bit, but sneaking back in.

Gaming on: PS4, PC, 3DS. Got a Switch! Mainly to play Smash

jarrod on 06 July 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:

Ugh, this point-by-point-quote-within-quote thing you do is incredibly annoying.  If you're going to respond to me in the future, please don't do it.

i only do it to respond individually to each of your points

UGH.  I hate this.  I hate you for making me do this.  And I hate myself for doing this.  H8!  ;_;


Anyway, my only point was that the shader effects already seen in 3DS are closer to 360/PS3 than anything else we know of.

i agree but above you are saying its like 360 and PS3 quality which i didn't agree with

No I wasn't, I said "closer".  360 and PS3 are like all we can compare it to, as while Xbox could do some of these effects, it's shading architecture wasn't flexible enough or supported enough to really make use widespread in-game.  

 

 Obviously 3DS doesn't have near the fillrate, programmability or flexibility they do, but what it's doing is so far beyond PSP...

yes i agree it wold be better than PSP

but is it the leap that we see between 2 generations,not much.would be be comparable to PSP2,which it will not?now i know we don't know PSP2 specs but from whatever  and however we follow gaming,we should know that PSP2 leap will atleast be bigger than this.

if you are gonna go saying Wii is a great system and it is stronger than PS2,GC and XBOX,that doesn't matter.what matters is did it take the leap that 360 and PS3 took.no it didn't.

In terms of effects, going from virtually no shaders to a wide array of shaders is a generational leap.  It's like going from purely flat shaded to textures polygons, it's the next step.  That's why I prefaced it "in terms of effects".

Wii's a great architecture, and one that corrects basically all GameCube's flaws, but I wouldn't say it's entirely ahead of Xbox.  Xbox could do things Wii can't and vice versa.  Like PS3 vs 360 to some extent.

 

it's like comparing Dreamcast to Xbox.  Sure, they're within the same "generation" class of spec, but there's a huge difference in capability. There is a readily apparent "leap" here.

yes but the leap should be comparable and the Dreamcast was released far earlier than XBOX,it more like DREAMCAST was released in middle of the PS1 generation not in a new generation

Dreamcast came only 3 years before Xbox.   That's less time than between PSP and 3DS actually.

 

And when I say Wii 2 will be a "generational leap" I was clearly referring in regards to Wii.

yes i think the same but wouldn't you like a leap and it being comparable to PS4 and 720.it would be a generational leap from what PS2.5 to PS3.5.generational leap WOULD ONLY BE WHEN IT IS LEAP COMPARABLE TO the current generation

Nintendo's current generation *is* Wii.  It's like how DS was a generational leap from GBA, even it was basically a gen behind PSP in hardware class, it was still a generational leap all the same.

 

 Frankly, CELL is a terribly unoptimized chip for gaming,

its a new architecture,would you be saying the same if PC's from 1980's be using CELL then they would have gotten used to the architecture.

Uh, an off the shelf PC chip from the 1980s would also be a horribly unoptimized chip.  I'm not seeing any disconnect?

 

 I've no doubt Nintendo will use chip that's weaker on paper, yet appreciably more powerful in the real world for gaming application, and at a much more logically economical pricepoint...

think the same but i have  certain doubts still as PS3 hadn't still been maxed anywhere near

Outside Sony themselves, I'd say there's little chance for it to be maxed out honestly.  Only 1st place consoles tend to get pushed to their limits, and with the lurch towards HD multiplatform development for most 3rd parties, that's just make things less likely to really push the strengths of either HD platform.

 

it'll be like PS2 vs GC all over again.

so you saying Wii will be comparable or a little bit over PS360 and be like PS2 vs GC.now PS2 wasn't that behind that Wii.5 vs PS4 will be PS2 vs GC

Wait what, I'm confused?  I was saying PS2 vs GC for PS3 vs Wii 2, but honestly it'll probably be more like PS2 vs Wii.