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Porcupine_I on 06 July 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Porcupine_I said:

Does that mean Nintendo will support 3D TV's with those annoying glasses?


even the Wii does support 3D but they cannot make games as processing power is low so games will be degraded and video output port is outdated

thank you, but that was not quite what i meant!

i was just wondering why they would suddenly make a console that supports 3D, when they obviously do not like this "3D glasses" technology. i do not suppose they will release their own TV's with the console?



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ArnoldRimmer on 06 July 2010
Porcupine_I said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

even the Wii does support 3D but they cannot make games as processing power is low so games will be degraded and video output port is outdated

thank you, but that was not quite what i meant!

i was just wondering why they would suddenly make a console that supports 3D, when they obviously do not like this "3D glasses" technology. i do not suppose they will release their own TV's with the console?

The Wii successor will of course be able to support 3DTVs, but 3DTV support will definitely not be part of the general concept of the Wii successor.While the future is soon going to be 3DTVs with glasses, it will be a few years until those TVs have relevant adoption rates and the Wii successor will be out by then. The Wii successor will initially not be advertised related to 3DTVs, but as soon as adoption rates get relevant, the Wii successor will jump right in with a firmware update.

The question of "with or without glasses" will be completely irrelevant for Nintendo by the way, as for a TV-connected console that does not come with a builtin screen, it's completely up to the owner which 3DTV model he buys.

And in response to the previous post: while even the Wii is of course theoretically 3D capable, it's not 3DTV capable (like PS3 (and Xbox 360?)). Only very low qualit anaglyph 3D is possible on the Wii, and nobody really wants that.



Metallicube on 06 July 2010
TheLivingShadow said:

Hmm you guys gave me an idea about Nintendo's next console...suddenly a projector doesn't seem so far fetched.

How about a console that entirely relies on itself (I mean NO OTHER hardware, not even controllers!) and nothing else? Besides being able to run DVDs or Blu-Rays or whatever capable disc format, it would also produce the sound and the visuals (using a projector as part of the console). What about the controllers? Well, I have a simple answer: Kinect-like control.

It'd be usable pretty much anywhere where you can connect it!

And before you scream "Handheld!!!", it would clearly not be a handheld because you cannot hold the screen in your hands while at the same time making the movements necessary to play (unless you want to throw the console like a ball hahaha). Besides, such a console would need to be a lot larger and heavier than a handheld.

Who knows? Maybe even the games are downloadable so you don't even have the need to carry the games around with you! And even though the console allowed for the use of the projector, its own sound system and downloadable games, maybe you could also be able to connect it to a HDTV and play it just fine!

Crazy idea? Maybe, most likely it is. But nobody besides Nintendo knows better so don't go just labeling it that way and call it a day; at least try to tell everyone why it's not a good idea.

PS: I just recalled...Miyamoto or Iwata (or someone from Nintendo...can't remember the name clearly) once said  a few years ago that he thought one day videogames would break away from TVs...at least that's a hint!

I think a built in projector in a console would be awesome. For one, you could have a huge screen on your wall, movie theatre style. Or maybe they'd have a way to tilt it so you can have your games displayed on the surface of a table, sorta like the "MS surface" but a lot cheaper and (kinda) portable. Then you could combine this with motion sensing so you could interact with the images displayed on the table. This is probably not in the near future but who knows what the future holds. A mere 25 years ago, videogame graphics were 2D pixelated blocks. This would be an effective marketing move because it gets rid of the need for a television, and allows for flexibility in terms of how big you want your screen, and even whether you want it displayed on a wall or flat surface.

And taking this idea partially from Malstrom, but maybe you could download full retail games (but you can still buy them the normal way if you wish) and burn them on some sort of blank disk. Maybe you could buy blank discs that hold more space and download MULTIPLE full retail games on a single disk, making your own customized compilation disk. This would appeal to many gamers, as it allows you to download your games, but also have them on a physical disc, and also allow for a little creativity with customizable compilations and perhaps customizable menus or something.. I know I would love that at least.

The possibilites are really endless if you think about it.. It's fun to think about :)

Nintendo could do something like this (though perhaps not as advanced) to make their console stand out from the others. Just having HD, 3D, and motion controls will not cut it.

This stuff may sound crazy but I wouldn't put anything past Nintendo. I bet nobody expected them to come out with a motion controlled, 3D handheld without the need for glasses, with graphics near the HD consoles, ready for 2010-2011.



Solid_Snake4RD on 06 July 2010
Porcupine_I said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Porcupine_I said:

Does that mean Nintendo will support 3D TV's with those annoying glasses?


even the Wii does support 3D but they cannot make games as processing power is low so games will be degraded and video output port is outdated

thank you, but that was not quite what i meant!

i was just wondering why they would suddenly make a console that supports 3D, when they obviously do not like this "3D glasses" technology. i do not suppose they will release their own TV's with the console?

i didn't say they will release theur own TV's

what i meant if they have a powerful console and good video port they can output 3D on 3DTV's.

yes it would be problematic for them to support 3D though as they are bashing GLASS 3D atm and noway till 2015 are glassless 3DTV's gonna be at reasonable price



Solid_Snake4RD on 06 July 2010
Metallicube said:
TheLivingShadow said:

Hmm you guys gave me an idea about Nintendo's next console...suddenly a projector doesn't seem so far fetched.

How about a console that entirely relies on itself (I mean NO OTHER hardware, not even controllers!) and nothing else? Besides being able to run DVDs or Blu-Rays or whatever capable disc format, it would also produce the sound and the visuals (using a projector as part of the console). What about the controllers? Well, I have a simple answer: Kinect-like control.

It'd be usable pretty much anywhere where you can connect it!

And before you scream "Handheld!!!", it would clearly not be a handheld because you cannot hold the screen in your hands while at the same time making the movements necessary to play (unless you want to throw the console like a ball hahaha). Besides, such a console would need to be a lot larger and heavier than a handheld.

Who knows? Maybe even the games are downloadable so you don't even have the need to carry the games around with you! And even though the console allowed for the use of the projector, its own sound system and downloadable games, maybe you could also be able to connect it to a HDTV and play it just fine!

Crazy idea? Maybe, most likely it is. But nobody besides Nintendo knows better so don't go just labeling it that way and call it a day; at least try to tell everyone why it's not a good idea.

PS: I just recalled...Miyamoto or Iwata (or someone from Nintendo...can't remember the name clearly) once said  a few years ago that he thought one day videogames would break away from TVs...at least that's a hint!

I think a built in projector in a console would be awesome. For one, you could have a huge screen on your wall, movie theatre style. Or maybe they'd have a way to tilt it so you can have your games displayed on the surface of a table, sorta like the "MS surface" but a lot cheaper and (kinda) portable. Then you could combine this with motion sensing so you could interact with the images displayed on the table. This is probably not in the near future but who knows what the future holds. A mere 25 years ago, videogame graphics were 2D pixelated blocks. This would be an effective marketing move because it gets rid of the need for a television, and allows for flexibility in terms of how big you want your screen, and even whether you want it displayed on a wall or flat surface.

And taking this idea partially from Malstrom, but maybe you could download full retail games (but you can still buy them the normal way if you wish) and burn them on some sort of blank disk. Maybe you could buy blank discs that hold more space and download MULTIPLE full retail games on a single disk, making your own customized compilation disk. This would appeal to many gamers, as it allows you to download your games, but also have them on a physical disc, and also allow for a little creativity with customizable compilations and perhaps customizable menus or something.. I know I would love that at least.

The possibilites are really endless if you think about it.. It's fun to think about :)

Nintendo could do something like this (though perhaps not as advanced) to make their console stand out from the others. Just having HD, 3D, and motion controls will not cut it.

This stuff may sound crazy but I wouldn't put anything past Nintendo. I bet nobody expected them to come out with a motion controlled, 3D handheld without the need for glasses, with graphics near the HD consoles, ready for 2010-2011.

first projector will be costly so Nintendo won't do it

and second what the hell would it do for gaming????????????????????????????????????????????????

you are talking as if Projector console is the next BIG STEP which its not



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Metallicube on 06 July 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:

first projector will be costly so Nintendo won't do it

and second what the hell would it do for gaming????????????????????????????????????????????????

you are talking as if Projector console is the next BIG STEP which its not

What does motion controls do for gaming? What does touch screen do for gaming? What do dual screens do for gaming?

The next feature for Nintendo's next console doesn't necessarily have to directly change the way games are played, but rather it should simply have a way to differenciate itself and offer an appealing selling point to the console. Look at the 3DS, it is not necesarilly doing something that changes gaming, but a lot of people are still excited about it, because it differciates itself. It is (right now at least) the only handheld that offers 3D, and it does so without the glasses.

A projector built in a console, as I said, would offer great flexibility and portability. If somehow able to project on a surface (just a fantasy of mine), it could add a new dimension to games as they could now be played in a completely different way. Imagine having games on your table, and being able to interact with objects. It's like playing a board game, but digital. Games would become more overhead focused. We'd have more RTS/God games on consoles, as well as overhead shooters. A game like Starcraft would be perfect on a surface, and with motion controls you could move around objects and initiate commands just by moving your hands and fingers around the table. Maybe I've been doing too many drugs, but I love the idea of playing games like RTS on a table, where you can control things Minority Report style :)

This is probably stuff that won't happen for another 20 years, but like I said you never know with Nintendo. They could surprise you. I certainly didn't expect a 3D capable handheld with near HD console graphics and motion control. Maybe in like 2015 but I certainly didn't expect it in 2010-2011.



amp316 on 06 July 2010
Porcupine_I said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Porcupine_I said:

Does that mean Nintendo will support 3D TV's with those annoying glasses?


even the Wii does support 3D but they cannot make games as processing power is low so games will be degraded and video output port is outdated

thank you, but that was not quite what i meant!

i was just wondering why they would suddenly make a console that supports 3D, when they obviously do not like this "3D glasses" technology. i do not suppose they will release their own TV's with the console?

Nah.  They will probably back track on their hating 3D glasses statements and adopt them.

If Sony can talk crap about motion controls and then adopt them, then Nintendo can do the same with 3D glasses.  It just another example of Nintendo copying Sony. 



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zarx on 06 July 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
zarx said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

Eh, it's doing hardwired shader effects that weren't in any widespread use last gen, on any hardware.  Even Xbox had limited use of stuff like normal or bump maps, and no real self-shadowing or anoything along those lines.

thats what i said it is better but not as much as this gen

 In terms of effects, it is indeed doing things are more often seen on 360 and PS3 than last gen systems, and it's doing this pre-release, in demos that were put together in about 3 months.

it will do things similar but not upto the mark.its in between

And 3DS is pretty easily a generational leap from DS, which is all that really matters.  The fact that it handily outperforms PSP from all vantage points (geometry, textures, lighting, effects) is beside that somewhat.

just being better than PSP does nothing.you have to have a pretty big leap like between two generation and 3DS is not doing that.its in between.

 I expect Wii 2 to be pretty similar, a generational step up from Wii and outperforms 360/PS3 decently.

Wii2 will not be generational leap as it will not do PS4 and 720 graphics which is what generational leap should like being same level with other.not when PS4 and 360 comeout they release PS360 type hardware

PS3 is still pushing boundries though and is still expensive,will we see as powerful as PS3 in CPU department as Nintendo will not make a console costlier than $299




I wouldn't rule out the chance of Nintendo releasing a console that is more powerful than the PS4 and next box lol.

so you saying Wii2 will cost over $299

I am saying I wouldn't rule it out.

even if the CPU is not more powerful than the CELL but as the CELL is not very good at some CPU tasks

what tasks?

it just needs to be properly optimized.people were only saying that when CELL first launched

It is well documented that the CELL's SPEs lack Branch predictors and the ability to directly access memory and the lack of cache mean that out of order instructions slow down the CELL. that's not to say any other CPUs can match it when it comes to in order tasks like encoding/decoding video etc. For games the CELL architecture has to be worked around more than it directly helps but it makes up for it with it's bandwidth.

but at tasks that GPUs are good at it is much better than just about any other CPU

really and which at CELL's price does the job?

as I don't know what price Sony pay for the CELL I don't know exactly but if you have that price and know how much just a custom CPU/GPU would cost sony I could tell you but that kind of info is unavailable to me.

you could argue that a good modern GPU combined with a good CPU would overall far outperform the PS3.

at PS3's price,show me?

and also prove me how can you compare a different architecture CELL with other CPU as people are still finding out to use it and people find it easier to work on intel and AMD simple CPU's

same as above. I don't really get this question are you asking how I would compair the performance of the CELL with a desktop CPU? if so there isn't really any way without testing them fully but as a guide we use GFLOPS as a rough indication.

back in when the CELL was being developed SONY wanted a single chip that would be the best of both worlds allowing all processing to be handled on one chip, but it didn't really work out like that as IBM routed the design in that of a CPU with GPU like components and they ended up with the worst of both worlds but still a incredibly powerful chip. Since then the trend has been to make GPUs more CPU like and while modern GPUs aren't as good at traditionally CPU tasks as the CELL, for the things that the CELL is better than a normal CPU at a modern GPU is far far better, that is stuff physics rendering tasks etc.

and you think SONY won't improve it and put the same in PS4 and Wii2 will be stronger and will be expensive

Well considering that IBM stopped developing the CELL line Sony would have to pay for the development by it's self which would cost tens of millions so no I d0on't see them making changes to the architecture themselves. They may pay for an up scaled version, an extra PPE and 8 more SPUs etc but that won't change the limitations of the architecture but would be insanely powerful tho.

But I am getting off topic I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo release a console capable of doing 3D at 1080p (3-4* the PS360 should do it) with some gimmick that none of us have thought of.

PS3 can already do 1080p 3D as it has HDMI 1,3,360 can only do 720p 3D with HDMI 1.2 

also more power is needed to make 2D and 3D same quality which PS3 has ATM.so Wii2 HAVING 1080P 3D won't be a big thing

I never said it couldn't technically do it but if you think that any game more complex than your average PSN game will run at 1080p in 3D when very few 2D games run above 720p on the PS3...

I was talking about being powerful enough to run games at 1080p reliably while being as complex as PS360 games.

I do know it won't have a projector built in as a good projector is as big as a current console and costs thousands of $$$ not something you want built into the console. Also they are not gonna use a kinect style control scheme as none of their franchises would work with it and it has serious problems with any game that isn't a dance or sports game as far as I can tell.

As for Bue-ray Nintendo could use it but I think they will use a proprietary disk probably based on Blu-ray like they did with the gamecube.

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Solid_Snake4RD on 06 July 2010
Metallicube said:

What does motion controls do for gaming? What does touch screen do for gaming? What do dual screens do for gaming?

they brought some interactivity.i am not daying they were good but what are you going to do with projectors,go touch the wall or projecting surface

The next feature for Nintendo's next console doesn't necessarily have to directly change the way games are played, but rather it should simply have a way to differenciate itself and offer an appealing selling point to the console.

don't all companies try to do that,bring something new

Look at the 3DS, it is not necesarilly doing something that changes gaming, but a lot of people are still excited about it, because it differciates itself. It is (right now at least) the only handheld that offers 3D, and it does so without the glasses.

yeah cause it brought something new that wan't avaiable before.projectors are and projects don't enhance your gaming more than a bigger display which can already be done

A projector built in a console, as I said, would offer great flexibility and portability. If somehow able to project on a surface (just a fantasy of mine), it could add a new dimension to games

how would it add dimension to the games and protabilities doesn't come in where you have yo plug it in for power full time and it weighs alot

as they could now be played in a completely different way. Imagine having games on your table, and being able to interact with objects.

interact with objects isn't just projecting it holographic,we don't have perfect 3D with glasses yet and you are talking about this

It's like playing a board game, but digital. Games would become more overhead focused.

consoles aren't for playing boardgame.

its like a nokia mobile projecting keyboard nothing else

We'd have more RTS/God games on consoles, as well as overhead shooters. A game like Starcraft would be perfect on a surface, and with motion controls you could move around objects and initiate commands just by moving your hands and fingers around the table.

first you cannot do project and motion together as console will have to be infront of you so some camera

Maybe I've been doing too many drugs, but I love the idea of playing games like RTS on a table, where you can control things Minority Report style :)

maybe you are just dreaming and just wishing oh mommy why can't that happen or that

This is probably stuff that won't happen for another 20 years, but like I said you never know with Nintendo.

you never know with Nintendo........................lmao

so you think that a 20year future tech and Nintendo will just implement it and have a loss

stop saying you never know with Nintendo as they don't do it till its cheap and you know what you are talking is not possible at cheap prices

They could surprise you. I certainly didn't expect a 3D capable handheld

it wasn't a 20 year future thing.Glassless 3D was available and they are doing it on a small screen.also people are saying that when you move away from the screen the effect goes and thats why it hasn't come on big screen and also that 3D effect is more inside then outside

with near HD console graphics and motion control.

its not near HD consoles graphics,you are jsust wishing here

motion controls have been there in JAPAN mobiles for NTT and other companies for ages

Maybe in like 2015 but I certainly didn't expect it in 2010-2011.

in 2015 we will have full sized glassless 3DTV's at current HDTV prices so its no comparision


jarrod on 06 July 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

As to the people that think that Ninty is going all out, I can't agree.  Don't get me wrong, there will be a significant improvement and definitely a couple of surprises.  But judging by the 3DS, I don't see them going all out.  The 3DS seems to be clearly superior to the DS, but it does not look like a graphics leap from psp. I expect cool features and interesting new concepts.

I think the next Wii (or whatever they call it) will be HD and at LEAST on par with PS3 AND 360. 3D.... not sure, let's see how tv sales go.


3DS is a decent step up from PSP... it's already doing geometry on par with PSP's best (MGS, KH, etc), twice over for 3D actually, and layering effects on top of it all that even PS2 or Gamecube aren't capable of.  Self shadowing, normal mapping, bump mapping, specular highlights... 3DS is pumping out the sort of effects we generally see on advanced shader architectures like those found in 360 and PS3.  Effects wise, 3DS certainly is a generational leap over PSP.

I'd expect Wii 2 to be a similar step up over 360/PS3 honestly.  Comparable in some respects, a huge advancement in others, but clearly ahead overall.

3DS is not pumping out effects that we find not 360 and PS3 but only effects that we didn't see on PS2,GC.Better but not anywhere near PS3,360.

3DS is not generational leap.only enhanced last generation graphics with 3D

Eh, it's doing hardwired shader effects that weren't in any widespread use last gen, on any hardware.  Even Xbox had limited use of stuff like normal or bump maps, and no real self-shadowing or anoything along those lines.

thats what i said it is better but not as much as this gen

 In terms of effects, it is indeed doing things are more often seen on 360 and PS3 than last gen systems, and it's doing this pre-release, in demos that were put together in about 3 months.

it will do things similar but not upto the mark.its in between

And 3DS is pretty easily a generational leap from DS, which is all that really matters.  The fact that it handily outperforms PSP from all vantage points (geometry, textures, lighting, effects) is beside that somewhat.

just being better than PSP does nothing.you have to have a pretty big leap like between two generation and 3DS is not doing that.its in between.

 I expect Wii 2 to be pretty similar, a generational step up from Wii and outperforms 360/PS3 decently.

Wii2 will not be generational leap as it will not do PS4 and 720 graphics which is what generational leap should like being same level with other.not when PS4 and 360 comeout they release PS360 type hardware

PS3 is still pushing boundries though and is still expensive,will we see as powerful as PS3 in CPU department as Nintendo will not make a console costlier than $299



Ugh, this point-by-point-quote-within-quote thing you do is incredibly annoying.  If you're going to respond to me in the future, please don't do it.

Anyway, my only point was that the shader effects already seen in 3DS are closer to 360/PS3 than anything else we know of.  Obviously 3DS doesn't have near the fillrate, programmability or flexibility they do, but what it's doing is so far beyond PSP... it's like comparing Dreamcast to Xbox.  Sure, they're within the same "generation" class of spec, but there's a huge difference in capability. There is a readily apparent "leap" here.

And when I say Wii 2 will be a "generational leap" I was clearly referring in regards to Wii.  Frankly, CELL is a terribly unoptimized chip for gaming, I've no doubt Nintendo will use chip that's weaker on paper, yet appreciably more powerful in the real world for gaming application, and at a much more logically economical pricepoint... it'll be like PS2 vs GC all over again.