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Khuutra said:
RageBot said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.

YES! We want FF to have the same old, never changing Bioware plot!

Do you really want to go down that road? There's a thousand different reasons that that's a bad idea; you sure you want to attack BioWare?

I don't attack Bioware, I attack a single aspect of their games, that i've played, which is:

There's a beginning, then, there's a part were you can choose four/three different planets/town districts to go to, and the order doesn't matter, and then - TWIST! and then you go to the final dungeon/two.
And their plots are very same-ish every time, some of the twists may be different, but the overall development is the same, the villians are bad (bland character and bland background/motivation).

However, I do realize that this is just how it is with WRPGs, when you need to make a lot of quality optional side-content, it takes away from the quality of the main storyline.

(Don't get me wrong though, I still think that SE sucks :P )



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irstupid said:
thelifatree said:
huaxiong90 said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.


...you can't be serious...


he doesn't like JRPG's, so this way of thinking makes sense really. If you count your own tastes as absolute.

see i don't get this.  we each have our own tastes right?  so say I like final fantasy, and he doesn't

then lets use our infinite knowledge and figure that I will buy final fantasy and he won't.  Now why are we changing this game to fit HIS tastes?  What about the millions who buy and like your games already? 

his way fo thinking makes no f*ing sense.  The way you say it makes it sound like since shooters sell a ton right now EVERY SINGLE GAME should be a shooter now.  NO other genres because they are stupid and pointelss cause they don't sell like shooters.  If he doesn't like JRPG's then he isn't going to spend his money or time playing a jrpg.  meanwhile those who do love jrpg's can spend their money and tiem playing that game. 

So please tell me why we are changing the game to fit his tastes and ignoring my tastes?


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huaxiong90 said:
thelifatree said:
huaxiong90 said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.


...you can't be serious...


he doesn't like JRPG's, so this way of thinking makes sense really. If you count your own tastes as absolute.


Did I say my tastes are absolute? I just mean FF, for a Japanese styled game, has a successful following in the West. Why risk losing a fanbase by going in a completely new direction? I don't think this needs explaining.

thelifatree was probably referring to Soonerman, not you.



RageBot said:
Khuutra said:

Do you really want to go down that road? There's a thousand different reasons that that's a bad idea; you sure you want to attack BioWare?

I don't attack Bioware, I attack a single aspect of their games, that i've played, which is:

There's a beginning, then, there's a part were you can choose four/three different planets/town districts to go to, and the order doesn't matter, and then - TWIST! and then you go to the final dungeon/two.
And their plots are very same-ish every time, some of the twists may be different, but the overall development is the same, the villians are bad (bland character and bland background/motivation).

However, I do realize that this is just how it is with WRPGs, when you need to make a lot of quality optional side-content, it takes away from the quality of the main storyline.

(Don't get me wrong though, I still think that SE sucks :P )

For the sake of you, me, and the topic, I'm going to bow out of this line of converation.



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RageBot said:
Khuutra said:
RageBot said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.

YES! We want FF to have the same old, never changing Bioware plot!

Do you really want to go down that road? There's a thousand different reasons that that's a bad idea; you sure you want to attack BioWare?

I don't attack Bioware, I attack a single aspect of their games, that i've played, which is:

There's a beginning, then, there's a part were you can choose four/three different planets/town districts to go to, and the order doesn't matter, and then - TWIST! and then you go to the final dungeon/two.
And their plots are very same-ish every time, some of the twists may be different, but the overall development is the same, the villians are bad (bland character and bland background/motivation).

However, I do realize that this is just how it is with WRPGs, when you need to make a lot of quality optional side-content, it takes away from the quality of the main storyline.

(Don't get me wrong though, I still think that SE sucks :P )

i do agree with you on that or mainly on the whole western developers and their whole CHOICES/CONSEQUENCES bullshit they toss out.

that is a load of crap.  its just as you say, you can choose which of the roughly 4 areas to go in any order.  Those areas have two endings, one good one bad, maybe a middle groundish one as well, but regardless of decisions you finish task there and done.  both decisions accomplish same goal.  now go to next totally independent place that what you did before doesn't affect this area AT ALL, and same thing, fake choices to get to the end.

Then finally you get to last area and depending on ONE decision at that point, doesn' tmatter at all wha tyou did the whole game it all leads to thsi one decision for the endings.  and usually during the "Twist" this decision is made of save the bad guy, or kill him. 

I'm not saying jrpg's or any other games stories are amazing or great, but at least they dont' advertise falsely.  people make fun of fable's boasting, yet i find all western rpg's to be like that.  all empty promises, hiden behind FAKE decisions. 



thelifatree said:
Weegee said:

IMO the problem is simply because this gen is the golden age of FPS and Action Game and it's not the main strength of the japanese developer.

But game like devil may cry , resident evil , metal gear or street fighter are all from japanese developer and they are also action game. Bayonetta and Valkyria Chronicles have been ok sale wise, one was again an action game and the other was in a modern war universe.



And  Final Fantasy XIII Outsold every single one of those games. And Dragon Quest IX outold most of them. It's.

But I will say I'm still a square-enix lover (games wise) as they've made my favorite game this Gen (TWEWY :D :D :D) and I loved Crisis Core, and FFXIII as welll as all the remakes/ports of old squaresoft games So I do not dislike what they've been doing.

Wada is kinda confusing... But what I got out of it. Is Square Enix Japan, should do what Square Enix Japan Does... And Square Enix Europe (Eidos) isn't going to be interfered with a Japanese way of thinking. Which I hope so because the Deus Ex Franchise is my 2nd Favorite Franchise behind Final Fantasy. And I don't really want it developed from a japanese perspective. If anything it sounded to me like. He was saying he made a mistake about trying to put western things in square-enix games. (saying it in a bizzare way ofcourse.)

Also, he says ridiculous things which is amusing to me. But I think he said something like they might not make anymore final fantasy a while back. And Kitase was like wtf. And that's not going to happen

Was it translated by a reliable source and computer translators are not reliable. I am a Japanese major and sometimes the sactual implication is the opposite opposite. (not saying this is the case) (I do not know what constitutes as reliable hence why I am asking)

Edit: This is just for people that might be interpreting something incorrect by him saying globalization has, he does not mean square enix is failing. they've made around 300 million profit each for atleast the past 3-4 years

Don't worry , i'm not saying that SE or the japanese developer in general are failing. I'm just saying that japanese developer does not need to 'westernise' they game, they just to do more fast-paced like Valkyria Cronicle ( which was a new I.P and have almost hit 1 million) but it's my opinion and i'm not an analyst (But i'm probably better than patcher) .

 





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Rhonin the wizard said:
huaxiong90 said:
thelifatree said:
huaxiong90 said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.


...you can't be serious...


he doesn't like JRPG's, so this way of thinking makes sense really. If you count your own tastes as absolute.


Did I say my tastes are absolute? I just mean FF, for a Japanese styled game, has a successful following in the West. Why risk losing a fanbase by going in a completely new direction? I don't think this needs explaining.

thelifatree was probably referring to Soonerman, not you.

If that's the case, I apologize for getting snappy.



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irstupid said:
thelifatree said:
huaxiong90 said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.


...you can't be serious...


he doesn't like JRPG's, so this way of thinking makes sense really. If you count your own tastes as absolute.

see i don't get this.  we each have our own tastes right?  so say I like final fantasy, and he doesn't

then lets use our infinite knowledge and figure that I will buy final fantasy and he won't.  Now why are we changing this game to fit HIS tastes?  What about the millions who buy and like your games already? 

his way fo thinking makes no f*ing sense.  The way you say it makes it sound like since shooters sell a ton right now EVERY SINGLE GAME should be a shooter now.  NO other genres because they are stupid and pointelss cause they don't sell like shooters.  If he doesn't like JRPG's then he isn't going to spend his money or time playing a jrpg.  meanwhile those who do love jrpg's can spend their money and tiem playing that game. 

So please tell me why we are changing the game to fit his tastes and ignoring my tastes?

You people miss the point. My point point was there is no reason for Mr Oklahoma to not want SE to change final fantasy, because he doesn't like it as it currently exists.

I wasn't saying that he was being realistic, and I wasn't saying that it makes sense for SE to do this.

On a different topic. Read below. On my colorful thought




huaxiong90 said:
Rhonin the wizard said:
huaxiong90 said:
thelifatree said:
huaxiong90 said:
Soonerman said:

I agree with Wada. Now, give SE to Bioware and let them do their magic. Release 2 Final Fantasy's mainline developed by different customers, one for Japan, one for the rest of the world. The few cry babies that want Japanese style FF can import.


...you can't be serious...


he doesn't like JRPG's, so this way of thinking makes sense really. If you count your own tastes as absolute.


Did I say my tastes are absolute? I just mean FF, for a Japanese styled game, has a successful following in the West. Why risk losing a fanbase by going in a completely new direction? I don't think this needs explaining.

thelifatree was probably referring to Soonerman, not you.

If that's the case, I apologize for getting snappy.

Yes, I wasn't referring to you... Sorry I just, misquoted, these forums are confusing and I am confusing in general.

And then, once again. I took what he said the more optimisticly than others did which was. The Japanese developer side of Square enix (not eidos) will not try to make games for the western audience... eidos aka SE Europe will...

Now, I could be wrong about all of this but this is just what I think. And also I'd assume that games that are developed for certain regions would still be ported to others if it was thought to be economically viable. And obviously Final Fantasy would be... Once again, I'm not saying I'm right, I just took something different out of what he said than others did.