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As I stated earlier in this thread, Sony took a $4.7 billion loss from when the PS3 was released until it started becoming profitable, which was around 2009.
That $4.7 billion was a real cost incurred by Sony and until they manage to recoup that $4.7 billion and then some from Walkman sales, television sales, or whatever, then the PS3 cannot be considered a worthwile, profitable venture that beckons a PS4.
All of that profit the PS3 is making now is what Accounting 101 calls a "credit" and that $4.7 billion loss is what Accounting 101 calls a "debit." Sony has a lot of credits to make from the PS3 in order to remove the parentheses from the red (4.7) billion.
I am just wondering what kind of uninformed investor invests in companies such as Sony who have shown with the PS3, that they are willing to take a $4.7 billion loss and still have another $5 billion loss via the PS4 in the next 5 years?
Now, I am assuming: 1. There will be a PS4 and 2. Sony and Kaz Hirai will try to 1up Nintendo and Microsoft by putting out another overpriced vanity machine (PS4) at a price all except the most fervent of Sony supporters will not buy.
I don't wish death on Sony as I have been a consumer of their product in my younger years, I just wish they would own up to their past mistakes, chop some heads off in their company, and get back to the basics by prioritizing what products are making a profit, continue to make those profitable products, and shut down the products and company divisions who are running at a loss, while being subsidized by the more profitable product divisions.
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YET MORE DIATRIBE: LOL....
Playstation does not just = the PS3
yes let's just to choose to ignore the PSP profit's, the PS2 profit's and software from those 2 other platform's including the PS3 software profit's and PSN digital sales and the profit's from Home, and now PSN plus.....
PSP,PS2,PSN,PSN(PLUS),Home,psp software, PS2 software,ps3 software
is greater than just the
"PS3"
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Actually, those were all considered and accounted for, he's talking SCE's overall loss. In a very real sense just the "PS3" was greater than "PSP,PS2,PSN,PSN(PLUS),Home,psp software, PS2 software,ps3 software" in terms of loss/profit.
We'll never know the real scale of PS3's massive hardware losses because as you pointed out, those profitable sectors were helping pull up the division...
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no it's not!
read what he stated! he's not talking about their entire profit's, he was just talking about the PS2's peak sales year's for the PAST 5 year's
" Sony has lost more money selling PlayStation 3s than it made selling PlayStation 2s during the entire five years of its peak."
the profit's that The PS3 ate into was the profit's for the PS2 for the last 5 year's when he made that statement 5 year's is not the entire profit's for the PS2 all together:
Hell he's not even including the PS1 or the PSP.
he's trying to point out just one aspect of the situation to say it = the entire profit loss of the entire playstation platform which is not true at all.
One product in their catalog does not = the entire catalog's sale's/profit's if there is more than just one product
the PS1's which had 10 year's worth of sales, the PSP now over 6 year
just because you want to concentrate on just one product does not mean you just ignore the other's in the catalog!
and why would they not help, their still playstation product's!
The PS3 is now profitable on it's own, now Sony has 3 Playstation Hardware Product's on the market that sell @ a profit!
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How words get convoluted for a variety of reasons.
The numbers I have seen and which have been posted here ad nauseam include all the profits from PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3. Fact is, and Sony consumers may not like to hear it,the PS3 has been an unprofitable venture from a company who could afford to take the loss. Any better run company or smaller company would have never taken on a project as ambitious as the PS3.
My gist is what happened 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. and 10 years ago factors into the discussion when we are talking dollars and cents, which companies base business decisions off of. You may see reports saying "Sony PS3 is finally making a Profit" or some sort, but that is always in comparison to the costs and profits incurred earlier to make it a profitable machine now.
Like it or not, by the time the PS4 rolls around, if Sony has the money to take another loss, the sheer amount of dollars and mantime put into creating the PS3 will be remembered by the execs at Sony and they will make their decision accordingly.
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where is the number's?
it's been the same post about Sony loosing all the profit's of the ps1, ps2, psp?
where is the proof.
I have not seen it....
hell the one who stated that is just guessing unless he's seen all the data from their finacial's.
which we can guess ourselves is a BIG FAT NO.
so the constant Diatribe is getting a little silly on this site...
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Your constant defending of Sony as if you are working for them or have a major investment stake is getting old and silly. Seriously though, we will see come the next generation whenever that occurs. All this debate is just speculation and since you are not posting their financials, then you do not have an "in" with them or you may and the picture may be just as bad as some of us who have looked at a few of their financials know it is.
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he wasn't defensing them,he was just pointing out the mistakes that you were trying to make him seem wrong
actually you urself are the one who should workd for someone trying to negating SONY's work and should grow up
you are no less so you shouldn't pick on others
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How rich. I was defending my position not picking on others.
you were doing more than just defending and just trying to negate other comment
If you check out my games, you will see that unlike you, I do and have played consoles made from Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft.
what does that have to do with this?
Yes, I play a 360 right now because I would not stoop to paying over $300 of my own money to buy a PS3.
so?
Does this make me biased against Sony?
never said that.
its just that when you were holding an argument and other held an argument about SONY,you just ried to negate it
Yes, to a certain degree. I have seen their magic when I was a little younger than you are and had to buy a PS1 for Final Fantasy 7. I was there buying a PS2 the year it came out and gamed with it exclusively until I became mainly a PC gamer during my college years. Beforehand, I grew up on Nintendo and Super Nintendo during the golden age of gaming in the 1980s and 1990s. So yes, I have my biases like everyone else, but I am also old enough to have witnessed how far a company such as Sony has strayed from what made the PS1 great.
why are you even trying to prove urself?
i was just mentioning that you ignored other argument
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