Well, if you're going to go with that as the standard for what a doomed console is, then I guess the 360 is doomed, as well.  It still hasn't come close to making back the billions lost from the original X-Box or the billions lost from its own first years of being on the market.  So far, the X-Box brand has yet to be profitable.  Something that has led some of MS's investors to cry out for them to drop out of the console market and put more focus on maintaining its OS marketshare.  If Kinect proves not to be the success MS hoping for, you can expect to hear more investors crying out for the same thing.

At least on a positive for Sony, the Playstation brand, as a whole, has still remained profitable. 

I was refering to your point about losing, if they come out with the 360 being profitable overall, they havn't lost IMO.

I don't really care for BR btw

Edit - and actually, I do care. I think Sony can get away with losing billions without questioning if there will be a PS4, I feel if Microsoft lost this gen like last gen (coming out with 4 bill losses) then they wouldn't be around next gen.

Come on, VGC is a page about sales.

NOW psrock is like: sales don't matter.

If so, why did you make more than 8000 posts on this page? VGC got bigger with reviews, previews, hands on etc etc but the core is about the sales.

Come on, VGC is a page about sales.

NOW psrock is like: sales don't matter.

If so, why did you make more than 8000 posts on this page? VGC got bigger with reviews, previews, hands on etc etc but the core is about the sales.

No actually, PS3's nearly wiped out all the profits from PS1, PS2 and PSP combined.  Not quite, but another year or two of losses, and we might be there.

360 won't ever manage to make the whole Xbox project profitable (though that's more clouded due to Zune and other loss leading products being in the division), but 360 on it's own will likely be profitable by the time this generation ends.  Same can't really be said for PS3.

edit: lol, I'm late as usual.  Looks like this ground has already been well treaded in the thread. <3

I did not say sales doesn't matter, I am saying we need to move on from the same disscussion we've been having for years now.

I'm bored by the whole 360 VS PS3 talk. The same threads, same post, same thing over and over again.The site has already killed the best parts of what makes it fun, now I have to deal with fanboys war almost at a daily basis.

This is my view:

This Generation is already set : Wii, 360, PS3, That's order and that's the way it's going to end. I have accepted this a long time ago.

I did not say sales doesn't matter, I am saying we need to move on from the same disscussion we've been having for years now.

I'm bored by the whole 360 VS PS3 talk. The same threads, same post, same thing over and over again.The site has already killed the best parts of what makes it fun, now I have to deal with fanboys war almost at a daily basis.

This is my view:

This Generation is already set : Wii, 360, PS3, That's order and that's the way it's going to end. I have accepted this a long time ago.

You know what makes these threads so big? All the people choosing to enter them to scream "who cares?" This is not the same dicussion as in the past because people are dicussing current market trends with current sales figures, as provided by this site in the 'Sales Dicussions'.  There's absolutely nothing stopping you from choosing to ignore them in a blissful ignorance in all the other forums here.  If you're so bitter and bored why don't you go somewhere else. 

You know what makes these threads so big? All the people choosing to enter them to scream "who cares?" This is not the same dicussion as in the past because people are dicussing current market trends with current sales figures, as provided by this site in the 'Sales Dicussions'.  There's absolutely nothing stopping you from choosing to ignore them in a blissful ignorance in all the other forums here.  If you're so bitter and bored why don't you go somewhere else.