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GodOfWar_3ever on 04 July 2010
kowenicki said:



oops... wrong again huh?

so.. MS is sitting on $5.8Bn losses... which they can pretty much afford as it represents about 1/3 of their annual profits

Sony (despite their gaming dominance over the years) is sitting on cumulative losses of around $2bn.  

those two numbers will move closer togtehr over the next 2 years too.

Are the last 2 years from Sony's network devices division or something ? That includes products other than PS.



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DirtyP2002 on 04 July 2010

why are people still saying the Xbox 360 sales are only the discontinued SKUs?

Check Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-250GB-Elite-Console/dp/B003O6JJKY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1278243041&sr=8-2

in stock in 10 days...

Check BestBuy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Microsoft - Xbox 360 250GB Console/1069212.p?id=1218216740587&skuId=1069212&st=Xbox&contract_desc=null

Store Pickup: Not Available

Check Gamestop

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=78107

currently not available online - limited 1 per household.

The accessory bundle for $370 is currently in stock - but limited 1 per household.

Check Target

http://www.target.com/Xbox-360-Consoles-Video-Games/b/ref=sc_iw_r_2_0_16067681?node=352271011

out of stock - shipment in up to 4 weeks

Amazon.uk

 best selling hardware, with 2 weeks till release date.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_vg_h__1_1

Spielegrotte.de (not HUGE but a pretty big online videogame store in Germany)

best selling hardware, with 2 weeks till release

http://www.spielegrotte.de/index.php?xy=t100

Amazon.de

best selling console, with 2 weeks till release date

http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_vg_1_1

 

I think it is fair to say that the Xbox 360 slim is the droving force behinde the Xbox 360 sales. I know, Amazon alone is not a good source, but check the other sources please.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

Fumanchu on 04 July 2010
kowenicki said:

so do MS figures.

tbh I think that probably helped the Sony numbers... could have been worse.


What else is lumped in with the Sony Networked Products and Services Division?

VAIO laptops? Walkmans? Anyone have their profit/loss figures pre-merge?

Anyway, the playstation business as a whole is still in the black when crediting the PS1 profits.  The failed MS tablet project and mobile 'kin' handsets might make the EDD look bad this quarter.



Kynes on 04 July 2010
kowenicki said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
kowenicki said:



oops... wrong again huh?

so.. MS is sitting on $5.8Bn losses... which they can pretty much afford as it represents about 1/3 of their annual profits

Sony (despite their gaming dominance over the years) is sitting on cumulative losses of around $2bn.  

those two numbers will move closer togtehr over the next 2 years too.

Are the last 2 years from Sony's network devices division or something ? That includes products other than PS.

so do MS figures.

tbh I think that probably helped the Sony numbers... could have been worse.

 

It would have been worse. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/viewer/09q4/



Seece on 04 July 2010
Fumanchu said:
kowenicki said:

so do MS figures.

tbh I think that probably helped the Sony numbers... could have been worse.


What else is lumped in with the Sony Networked Products and Services Division?

VAIO laptops? Walkmans? Anyone have their profit/loss figures pre-merge?

Anyway, the playstation business as a whole is still in the black when crediting the PS1 profits.  The failed MS tablet project and mobile 'kin' handsets might make the EDD look bad this quarter.

Barely, even with PS1 profits it's in the XXX figures, one more 600 mill loss from sony and the entire playstation division will be in the red. Meaning in 15 years years they'd have made nothing .... essentially.



 

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tinybigman108 on 04 July 2010
AngelosL said:

I dont care about the sales as long as Sony keeps releasing quality titles


OMG somebody who gets it that we can't play sales but qualiy games.  and thats something sony will always have over microsoft since they themselves are shutting down studios or just outright letting them go.

those happy about sales of a piece of plastic are sad imo.



Fumanchu on 04 July 2010
Seece said:
Fumanchu said:
kowenicki said:

so do MS figures.

tbh I think that probably helped the Sony numbers... could have been worse.


What else is lumped in with the Sony Networked Products and Services Division?

VAIO laptops? Walkmans? Anyone have their profit/loss figures pre-merge?

Anyway, the playstation business as a whole is still in the black when crediting the PS1 profits.  The failed MS tablet project and mobile 'kin' handsets might make the EDD look bad this quarter.

Barely, even with PS1 profits it's in the XXX figures, one more 600 mill loss from sony and the entire playstation division will be in the red. Meaning in 15 years years they'd have made nothing .... essentially.

It certainly doesn't look good after achieving such dominance.  I wonder if this will have any affect on their business strategy with the PS4 - it may not be another high-tech device sold at a loss.



Kynes on 04 July 2010
tinybigman108 said:
AngelosL said:

I dont care about the sales as long as Sony keeps releasing quality titles


OMG somebody who gets it that we can't play sales but qualiy games.  and thats something sony will always have over microsoft since they themselves are shutting down studios or just outright letting them go.

those happy about sales of a piece of plastic are sad imo.


You can't play games when the investors can't play sales.



Fumanchu on 04 July 2010
tinybigman108 said:
AngelosL said:

I dont care about the sales as long as Sony keeps releasing quality titles


OMG somebody who gets it that we can't play sales but qualiy games.  and thats something sony will always have over microsoft since they themselves are shutting down studios or just outright letting them go.

those happy about sales of a piece of plastic are sad imo.

Do you just want to stop and think about where you are for a second? A thread about sales...in a forum about sales...on a website that tracks console sales...maybe everyone doesn't care about your derailment.



SMC on 04 July 2010

Well you can't say that Sony has essentially made nothing over 15 years. They've made one big mistake really (it's yet to be seen how extensive it is yet, if Blu-Ray somehow takes off for example - it wouldn't be considered as bad).Over the 15 years they have:

- Aqcuired many studios and dev teams

- Made one of the biggest brands in history

- Learnt a ton about the market

To some extent MS are the same, and Nintendo are sweet - enough.

If I was an investor I wouldn't be looking to the past 15 years, but what's in place for the next 15.