Think about what?  There are plenty of multiplatform games on the 360 - so it's hardly an issue of the console not having games. 

Don't YOU get that MS is managing to sell their consoles and produce games without mass producing exclusive first party games?  Leave it up to people to not give credit where it is due.   I'm not interested in buying a console to play games others cannot.  I just like to play games period.  Exclusive or not shouldn't matter to you - and it obviously doesn't matter to many Americans.   

People need to stop with this "I belong to this faction" mentality.  Don't cry because there aren't a load of 360 exclusives for you to obnoxiously list during console war arguements.  Microsoft need not fall nor wake up - it's gamers like you that do.

More interestingly, what would sales of ODST and Halo 3 have been if they released in reverse order

Or that, yeah.

I remember when the PS3 slim launched and everyone was like the PS3 will takeover the 360, now that 360 slim is out its back to PS3 is doom. Its funny to me to watch fanboys on this site compete over which HD console sells better.

This is the best post of this thread.  GT5 is just not going to do the sales that GT3 did when it comes to console sales.  It is a totally different environment. 

40 million PS3s already sold vs like 10 million.
GT3 showed the world what the PS2 could do. We already know what the PS3 can do.
GT5 has been selling PS3s for 5 years now and the GT fanatics (being fanatics) picked up a PS3 for GT5p.
So many racers with incredible visuals have already released the gen. Certainly pushing people wanting GT5 over the edge.

Software will sell great and PS3 will sell similiar to last year in November and December.

Its not doom.  It is that the outcome of this generation is done.  It is now all about maximizing profit and positioning for the next generation.  3rd parties arent going to abandon either the PS3 or the 360 and Sony isnt going to sell the PS3 again at a loss this generation. So not until the cost to produce and manufacture the PS3 drops $50 will you see a $50 drop on the PS3.

lol one week of ok 360 sales and the whole webset goes t pot.

This thread will look like a joke in a few weeks

It really doesn't matter if Sony or Microsoft are second or third.

Third parties are going to support them both because AAA title budgets are too large to be supported by just one platform.

And total console sales don't mean much because it is impossible to figure out whether people are buying second consoles, re-buying a newer (bigger, better, or more reliable) model, or buying their first console.

The health of a console is in third party software sales and availability of development tools.  And both Sony and Microsoft are experiencing strong third party software sales and tool support so developers keep producing for them.  I wish people would realize both consoles are here to stay.

We are getting to the part in the generation where it will get boring over the next few years.  The current generation is about milking gamers now (because companies have to pay for the engines they created this generation and receive return on those investments - Look at Prince of Persia, Assassin's Creed, Dragon Age, Need for Speed, Skate, Madden, Gears of War, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm, etc. as examples).  How many (real) new games are coming out?  This year is sequel city.  Don't get me wrong.  I love some of the engines that have come out this generation.  And there are new IPs, but they are almost all being based on broadening the reach of tech engines already created for this generation.

People have to get over the console war for at least this generation.  Cause it will end in a stalmate.  Nintendo came back from the dead, Microsoft proved it can be a player, and Sony has showed staying power.  That sums up the result.

I agree with what you've said here, and theres also the fact that PS3 has only just started to see a profit. and the key thing here is that the Wii is selling better and the top Wii software is selling well as well. so its definitly not about hardware power.

so at the moment i think the 360 could outsell PS3 this year, but i dont see it selling at the same level after that. M$ want Kinect to increase the lifespan by 5 years. maybe it will work. but as a core gamer i'm more interested in the next 5 or 6 years with the PS3. imo the console isnt going anywhere for the next years and the games are just going to power through.

It makes no difference, they won't listen, and if you point it out you must be a Sony hater!!

Over the past few weeks i have realised that it is pointless to talk to these people. They actually believe GT5 will sell like 3m consoles in a couple of weeks on it's own. Like there is this giant swarm of people somewhere all sat at their PS2's counting down the day's until GT5 release so they can finally upgrade to the almost in it's 5th year PS3! Can you imagine that person? If they were die hard GT fans they must be sick to death of playing the same games over and over on their PS2, they must be rideculed by their friends for being so out of date! Those people would have to be well in their 20s due to GT3 being in 2001 (the best GT game). I am in my 20s. Majority of my friends who had a ps2 have bought a console this gen. My female friends who had a ps2 have a Wii.

I look forward to seeing the pics of these people coming out of their bunkers to see the sun for the first time in almost half a decade on their way to buy a ps3 and GT5, it will be very moving to see this group of people like a migrating heard head off across the savanna to their local game stores. That is if they can remember where it is as would be so long since they have been there! ;)