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jarrod on 02 July 2010
Scoobes said:

As for Gran Turismo, can you name me another racing simulation that made it mainstream before Gran Turismo? Console games before were more arcade titles.

afaik, Indy 500 from Papyrus was the first real big hit sim racer, and sold over a million copies.  Compared to modern PC sims like iRacing or GTR, Gran Turismo basically is an arcade game.



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leatherhat on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
leatherhat said:

If nintendo or sega had done what sony did in the ps1 era we would consider it a genius move. 


Sony basically did in the PS1 era what Sega did in the Genesis era... and guess who usually gets "genius" credit between them?


Sony basically brought console gaming to Europe. Sega and nintendo couldn't do that. 



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The Ghost of RubangB on 02 July 2010
dtewi said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

You guys are all forgetting the Game Boy.  How embarrassing.  The Game Boy was far more mainstream than the PS1 and it was released 5 years earlier.  The Game Boy was the system that brought gaming out of the living rooms and bedrooms of NES and PC gamers and brought it out to the rest of the world on trains, planes, buses, and school playgrounds.  And the Game Boy trounced its competition much more successfully than the PS1 did.  You'll find more fans of the N64 than you will of the Game Gear.

The most successful game on the PS1 was Gran Tursimo with 10.85 million sales.
The Game Boy had all the mainstream smash shits:
Super Mario Land 2: 11.18 million
Pokemon Yellow: 14.64 million
Super Mario Land: 18.14 million
Pokemon Gold/Silver: 23.10 million
Tetris: 30.26 million
Pokemon Red/Green/Blue: 31.37 million

Tetris was (and still is) played by men and women of all ages.  The whole world plays Tetris nowadays, and not just for free.  It's had over 100 million paid downloads on cell phones.  That blows anything on the PS1 out of the water.  Tetris alone expanded the market more than anything Sony did.

And then 2 years after the PS1 came out, Pokemon happened.  Pokemon definitely stole the PS1's thunder.  There are more movies inspired by Pokemon than movies inspired by the entire PS1 library.

I'm pretty sure at least two people mentioned that!

The thread got too long and I started to skim it.  SORRY BRO!!!!!!!!!!



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Scoobes on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:

As for Gran Turismo, can you name me another racing simulation that made it mainstream before Gran Turismo? Console games before were more arcade titles.

afaik, Indy 500 from Papyrus was the first real big hit sim racer, and sold over a million copies.  Compared to modern PC sims like iRacing or GTR, Gran Turismo basically is an arcade game.

Your missing the console bit. I deliberately avoided PC racers because if we include PC in this discussion then PC will have done virtually everything before consoles.




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jarrod on 02 July 2010
leatherhat said:
jarrod said:
leatherhat said:

If nintendo or sega had done what sony did in the ps1 era we would consider it a genius move. 


Sony basically did in the PS1 era what Sega did in the Genesis era... and guess who usually gets "genius" credit between them?


Sony basically brought console gaming to Europe. Sega and nintendo couldn't do that. 

Gaming was already widespread in Europe, PlayStation just centralized it around one platform rather than a bunch of various computer formats.  It's a bit like what Famicom did in Japan.

MegaDrive was pretty big in the UK though.



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jarrod on 02 July 2010
Scoobes said:
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:

As for Gran Turismo, can you name me another racing simulation that made it mainstream before Gran Turismo? Console games before were more arcade titles.

afaik, Indy 500 from Papyrus was the first real big hit sim racer, and sold over a million copies.  Compared to modern PC sims like iRacing or GTR, Gran Turismo basically is an arcade game.

Your missing the console bit. I deliberately avoided PC racers because if we include PC in this discussion then PC will have done virtually everything before consoles.

Seems a useless distinction.  Console FPS didn't hit it really big until Goldeneye or Halo, that doesn't change the fact that Doom was really the genre landmark.



oldschoolfool on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:

As for Gran Turismo, can you name me another racing simulation that made it mainstream before Gran Turismo? Console games before were more arcade titles.

afaik, Indy 500 from Papyrus was the first real big hit sim racer, and sold over a million copies.  Compared to modern PC sims like iRacing or GTR, Gran Turismo basically is an arcade game.

Your missing the console bit. I deliberately avoided PC racers because if we include PC in this discussion then PC will have done virtually everything before consoles.

Seems a useless distinction.  Console FPS didn't hit it really big until Goldeneye or Halo, that doesn't change the fact that Doom was really the genre landmark.


I remember doom,I loved that game. lol



leatherhat on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
leatherhat said:
jarrod said:
leatherhat said:

If nintendo or sega had done what sony did in the ps1 era we would consider it a genius move. 


Sony basically did in the PS1 era what Sega did in the Genesis era... and guess who usually gets "genius" credit between them?


Sony basically brought console gaming to Europe. Sega and nintendo couldn't do that. 

Gaming was already widespread in Europe, PlayStation just centralized it around one platform rather than a bunch of various computer formats.  It's a bit like what Famicom did in Japan.

MegaDrive was pretty big in the UK though.


It was big on PC, but playstation made it mainstream



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famousringo on 02 July 2010

It's funny how you can see the regional divide running right down this debate.

If you're North American, you think Atari or Nintendo mainstreamed game consoles (really, Atari did, but Nintendo resuscitated it).

If you're European, you think Sony did it.

If we had a noticeable Japanese membership, you can bet they'd give Nintendo the nod.

And in a very real way, everybody is right. We sometimes forget that the world of the 20th century was a lot less globalized than the world of today. Nintendo did well in NA and Japan in the 80s, but they missed a spot, so Sony filled in the gaps ten years later. All this talk of 'maturing' gaming is just bunk.



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Scoobes on 02 July 2010
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:

As for Gran Turismo, can you name me another racing simulation that made it mainstream before Gran Turismo? Console games before were more arcade titles.

afaik, Indy 500 from Papyrus was the first real big hit sim racer, and sold over a million copies.  Compared to modern PC sims like iRacing or GTR, Gran Turismo basically is an arcade game.

Your missing the console bit. I deliberately avoided PC racers because if we include PC in this discussion then PC will have done virtually everything before consoles.

Seems a useless distinction.  Console FPS didn't hit it really big until Goldeneye or Halo, that doesn't change the fact that Doom was really the genre landmark.

Like I said, PC did nearly everything first but in doing so is more associated with the core rather than the mainstream. The point of this thread is about companies expanding the market, so it's a lot to do with implementation and marketing than who got there first. And surely Wolfenstein 3D was first? :P




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