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Scoobes said:
jarrod said:
Scoobes said:

As for Gran Turismo, can you name me another racing simulation that made it mainstream before Gran Turismo? Console games before were more arcade titles.

afaik, Indy 500 from Papyrus was the first real big hit sim racer, and sold over a million copies.  Compared to modern PC sims like iRacing or GTR, Gran Turismo basically is an arcade game.

Your missing the console bit. I deliberately avoided PC racers because if we include PC in this discussion then PC will have done virtually everything before consoles.

Seems a useless distinction.  Console FPS didn't hit it really big until Goldeneye or Halo, that doesn't change the fact that Doom was really the genre landmark.