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mai on 02 July 2010
Scoobes said:

The PS1 was the console that expanded the market by targetting older audiences with more mature themes. Parents weren't just buying consoles for their children but also for themselves. PS2 continued the trend especially with its early use as a DVD player and then expanding its audience later with more casual based games. When I think back, everyone I knew had a PS2 including many 30 something parents who entered gaming with PS1 & PS2. It was almost as if it became a part of everyones entertainment system.

I'm eager to know what are those? =)



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Linkasf on 02 July 2010
Hynad said:
Linkasf said:
Carl2291 said:
RolStoppable said:
Carl2291 said:

Considering that the PSone brought gaming to the mainstream. I think that what he says is true... In a way.

Sony didn't make gaming mainstream and neither did they broaden the audience of people who were playing games. In the latter case, they actually narrowed it. Adults were playing video games on the Atari and the NES which should come as no surprise since many games at that time were ports from the arcades and adults were playing those games there too.

But the damage has been done over the years, it will take a long time until people stop believing in those PlayStation myths.

I think the sales of the PSone, and even PS2, compared to consoles that came before them, say more than enough on how the PS brand expanded the market... Hugely.

And i don't understand how they narrowed it.

I bought 3 playstations because they broke.


You mean... The sales of the console aren't representative of the user base?  

 

Like...

 

With the X-Box 360??

Maybe?



oldschoolfool on 02 July 2010
Jordahn said:
RolStoppable said:
Jordahn said:
RolStoppable said:

I didn't say that Sony stopped anyone from playing a PlayStation game, I implied that their focus on a particular age group caused many adults to stop gaming. Which makes sense, because most of the games targeted at 15-25 year olds are seen as juvenile by most adults.

OMG.  You just said "I implied that their focus on a particular age group caused many adults to stop gaming."  But your previous statement was "I didn't say that Sony stopped anyone from playing a PlayStation game."  What do think playing a PlayStation game is, NOT gaming???  Yeah, you and others think this obviously.  Playing PlayStation games in general is gaming, and just because there is a target audience for most ANY product does not necessarily stopping anyone from trying their products.  And in your OPINIOn that most "games targeted at 15-25 year olds are seen as juvenile by most adults."

There is a difference between those two statements. The first one ("I implied that...") means that Sony didn't prevent anyone from playing their systems and their games. People chose to not play them, because in their opinion those games didn't seem to be for them.

But actually, I am not quite sure what you are talking about. The conclusion you drew from my post feels so... random.


Justify it however you want because SONY did make and push games that appealed to an older audience.  You have to have a target audience to have a focus to make a product have a more distinguishing feature.  That's how it was done by making more "mature" games.  They helped retained some older gamers while also bringing in new gamers as well. I'm an old guy and a dying breed while the younger ones have stepped up to help continue this thing called gaming.  There are plenty of younger PlayStation gamers that regardless of what SONY's target audience is have bought into the console because of its games regardless of console generation.  Too much blindness from illegit SONY hater here, and too much false justification.  I know where you guys are coming from because I used to be a SONY hater as well.


I agree. Rolstoppable was'nt even around back then. How does he know what sony did are did'nt target back then.



KillerMan on 02 July 2010

It's true at least in Europe. Before PS1 console gaming was pretty marginal in Europe as you can see from sales.



Scoobes on 02 July 2010
mai said:
Scoobes said:

The PS1 was the console that expanded the market by targetting older audiences with more mature themes. Parents weren't just buying consoles for their children but also for themselves. PS2 continued the trend especially with its early use as a DVD player and then expanding its audience later with more casual based games. When I think back, everyone I knew had a PS2 including many 30 something parents who entered gaming with PS1 & PS2. It was almost as if it became a part of everyones entertainment system.

I'm eager to know what are those? =)

Games like MGS, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Syphon Filter etc. By mature theme I'm not talking gameplay-wise but the actual theme and atmosphere of the game. Some people don't want to play with cartoony graphics or a simple story and back then, mature settings were somewhat new and innovative. I still struggle to get some of my friends to play LBP and my girlfriend refuses to play Mario, yet she'll watch me play MGS4 and Uncharted 2 quite happily. In contrast, the only top N64 games that I can think that would cover these themes was Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Before the gen, most big console games were still quite cartoony and didn't deal with mature themes although I think this was due to technology limitations.

Before Resident Evil and Silent Hill there was really only Alone in the Dark in the survival horror genre.

Tomb Raider popularised 3D platforming for adults with its theme and character to the point of spawning two high budget film starring Angelina Jolie (I know it was on the Saturn but it's pretty much been synonymous with Playstation since it was released on PS1).

MGS introduced stealth gaming to a relatively new audience and pushed storytelling in games as did Syphon Filter.

Gran Turismo (as far as I can remember) was the first game to attempt full racing simulation on consoles. No other driving games really pushed it as far as Gran Turismo in terms of features and simulation.

 

To add to the OT: To a lesser extent, Sony's sponsership with the UEFA Champions League also helped to push the Playstation to a wider audience as it became the football games console for FIFA and Pro Evo/ISS.




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irstupid on 02 July 2010
Jordahn said:
RolStoppable said:
Jordahn said:
RolStoppable said:

I didn't say that Sony stopped anyone from playing a PlayStation game, I implied that their focus on a particular age group caused many adults to stop gaming. Which makes sense, because most of the games targeted at 15-25 year olds are seen as juvenile by most adults.

OMG.  You just said "I implied that their focus on a particular age group caused many adults to stop gaming."  But your previous statement was "I didn't say that Sony stopped anyone from playing a PlayStation game."  What do think playing a PlayStation game is, NOT gaming???  Yeah, you and others think this obviously.  Playing PlayStation games in general is gaming, and just because there is a target audience for most ANY product does not necessarily stopping anyone from trying their products.  And in your OPINIOn that most "games targeted at 15-25 year olds are seen as juvenile by most adults."

There is a difference between those two statements. The first one ("I implied that...") means that Sony didn't prevent anyone from playing their systems and their games. People chose to not play them, because in their opinion those games didn't seem to be for them.

But actually, I am not quite sure what you are talking about. The conclusion you drew from my post feels so... random.


Justify it however you want because SONY did make and push games that appealed to an older audience.  You have to have a target audience to have a focus to make a product have a more distinguishing feature.  That's how it was done by making more "mature" games.  They helped retained some older gamers while also bringing in new gamers as well. I'm an old guy and a dying breed while the younger ones have stepped up to help continue this thing called gaming.  There are plenty of younger PlayStation gamers that regardless of what SONY's target audience is have bought into the console because of its games regardless of console generation.  Too much blindness from illegit SONY hater here, and too much false justification.  I know where you guys are coming from because I used to be a SONY hater as well.

see this is where you are completely being ignorant.  Adults played games before the PS1.

Then the PS1 came and targeted the 15-25 group or whatever the age was.  These games did not appeal to the ADULTS who played prior generation games. Thus they stopped gaming.

SO please tell me how Sony made a push to appeal to an older audience, when the people older than 25 quit gaming cause the games didnt' appeal to them? 

sony targeted teh most juvinile age group that leads to teh millions of people saying how "COOL" the playstation is, and how it is better than another.  That middle school/high school age "i'm better than you" mentality.  Really i almost blame sony for fanboys.  I mean without that age group you would just have people gaming who enjoy gaming regardless of which console.  Hell I could care less what console I play on, I just like certain games.  But i know back in day when I was younger and in that AGE group, that i used to think damnit why dont' all my friends find this console the best?  And before that age group at 14 and under I just loved gaming again and didn't care what system.  Its those 15-25 year old that are fanboys.



Hynad on 02 July 2010
irstupid said:
Jordahn said:
RolStoppable said:
Jordahn said:
RolStoppable said:

I didn't say that Sony stopped anyone from playing a PlayStation game, I implied that their focus on a particular age group caused many adults to stop gaming. Which makes sense, because most of the games targeted at 15-25 year olds are seen as juvenile by most adults.

OMG.  You just said "I implied that their focus on a particular age group caused many adults to stop gaming."  But your previous statement was "I didn't say that Sony stopped anyone from playing a PlayStation game."  What do think playing a PlayStation game is, NOT gaming???  Yeah, you and others think this obviously.  Playing PlayStation games in general is gaming, and just because there is a target audience for most ANY product does not necessarily stopping anyone from trying their products.  And in your OPINIOn that most "games targeted at 15-25 year olds are seen as juvenile by most adults."

There is a difference between those two statements. The first one ("I implied that...") means that Sony didn't prevent anyone from playing their systems and their games. People chose to not play them, because in their opinion those games didn't seem to be for them.

But actually, I am not quite sure what you are talking about. The conclusion you drew from my post feels so... random.


Justify it however you want because SONY did make and push games that appealed to an older audience.  You have to have a target audience to have a focus to make a product have a more distinguishing feature.  That's how it was done by making more "mature" games.  They helped retained some older gamers while also bringing in new gamers as well. I'm an old guy and a dying breed while the younger ones have stepped up to help continue this thing called gaming.  There are plenty of younger PlayStation gamers that regardless of what SONY's target audience is have bought into the console because of its games regardless of console generation.  Too much blindness from illegit SONY hater here, and too much false justification.  I know where you guys are coming from because I used to be a SONY hater as well.

see this is where you are completely being ignorant.  Adults played games before the PS1.

Then the PS1 came and targeted the 15-25 group or whatever the age was.  These games did not appeal to the ADULTS who played prior generation games. Thus they stopped gaming.

SO please tell me how Sony made a push to appeal to an older audience, when the people older than 25 quit gaming cause the games didnt' appeal to them? 

What data do you have exactly that could possibly support those assumptions?



Dgc1808 on 02 July 2010

I thought this was a known fact... shocked to see an argument...



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mai on 02 July 2010

Scoobes said:

Games like MGS, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Syphon Filter etc.

Before MGS there were Metal Gear games, Metal Gear was NES. Sweet Home is an inspiration behind Resident Evil, Sweet Home was on NES. Silent Hill yet another horror-themed game, though a great one, there're dozens of them on NES and SNES, such as Laplace no Ma on SNES based on H.P.Lovecraft stories. Tomb Raider franchise heavily borrows from Indiana Jones themes, there were Indiana Jones games on NES. Gran Turismo is a racing game, so about what mature themes we're talking here? Didn't play Syphon Filter, can't say anything about it, though I doubt it'll add anything to your pretty much already failed argument you've made. Sorry =)



Hynad on 02 July 2010
Dgc1808 said:

I thought this was a known fact... shocked to see an argument...

 

It's a known assumption. 

Facts need to be supported by proofs, be verifiable by factual evidences.  In this case, there are none.