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naznatips said:

As probably the only person around here who's used 3D on the PS3 and 3D on the 3DS extensivel (maybe the only person who's done either) I can tell you it's a pretty big difference. Those shaded 3D glasses you're going to be wearing to use 3D on consoles dulls the picture, and are especially noticeable and uncomfortable if you, like me, wear glasses already.

The 3DS is the most clear and crisp 3D I've ever seen, and there's zero image or color distortion. Obviously this requires you to somewhat center the image from your viewpoint, but I was able to hold it comfortably in numerous positions and get a zero-distortion picture. Whether Sony is happy about it or not, at the moment Nintendo has a technology that is better than their 3D technology, and cannot be used on 3D TVs because of the distortion from non-centered viewpoints.

It's too bad, but 3D with glasses is not a comparable experience, at the moment, to what the 3DS offers. It's not as comfortable, and it's not as effective.

Edit: As for people touting glasses-free TVs, those do not function. You have to be within 10 degrees of the center of the TV to get a clear picture on them, which obviously makes their use in a living room setting... well, nonexistent. Those will never take off under current technology used in them. They are trash.


But if you wait 10 years, you are going to get into proper glasses less TVs with a view angle superior to this 10 degrees you mentioned! 

Let's wait all this time and call the early adopter of 3D TVs stupid and morons! 

 

/sarcasm (not directed at you Naz).

 

@Naz: I agree to most of what you said, except for the 3D glasses over normal glasses bit.  But also,  the reports I've seen were impressed by the 3D capabilities of the 3DS while stating the effect was more subtle, didn't pop out as much as the glasses versions of it (whichever one of the lot it is).  Basically, the thing that impressed the most was the fact that it didn't require glasses, and that colors weren't diluted like with the glasses counterparts.  Not that the 3D was more impressive in itself.



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dont tell me sony that you wouldnt do the same thing for a marketing campaign




Hynad said:


But if you wait 10 years, you are going to get into proper glasses less TVs with a view angle superior to this 10 degrees you mentioned! 

@Naz: I agree to most of what you said, except for the 3D glasses over normal glasses bit.  But also,  the reports I've seen were impressed by the 3D capabilities of the 3DS while stating the effect was more subtle, didn't pop out as much as the glasses versions of it (whichever one of the lot it is).  Basically, the thing that impressed the most was the fact that it didn't require glasses, and that colors weren't diluted like with the glasses counterparts.  Not that the 3D was more impressive in itself.


Funny thing you mention popping out. There were some demoes where it absolutely did... too much in fact. The Resident Evil demo popped out so much it hurt your eyes. I'll tell you something the Crysis 2 devs told me though: Good 3D is depth, not protrusion. Protrusion is that cheap cheesy shit you got in the 90s where they threw crap at the screen to be gimmicky. Most 3DS games do 3D right. If you saw Avatar in 3D, for example, that's good 3D. Good 3D isn't constantly reminding you it's 3D. Rather, it uses it as a tool for extra immersion and realism as the depth of field added gives you more clarity.

The problem the 3DS faced in some of those reports is gaming press aren't movie press. They arent used to 3D yet, and they expect things thrown at the screen. They don't understand that nothing pulls you out of an experinece faster than random protrusion and the distortion and eyestrain it creates. So trust me on this; someone who's paid a lot of attention to 3D and its development as an enhancing entertainment device. The 3DS is no less capable in 3D than anything else, and it's a good thing that it's mostly been used for depth.



naznatips said:
Hynad said:


But if you wait 10 years, you are going to get into proper glasses less TVs with a view angle superior to this 10 degrees you mentioned! 

@Naz: I agree to most of what you said, except for the 3D glasses over normal glasses bit.  But also,  the reports I've seen were impressed by the 3D capabilities of the 3DS while stating the effect was more subtle, didn't pop out as much as the glasses versions of it (whichever one of the lot it is).  Basically, the thing that impressed the most was the fact that it didn't require glasses, and that colors weren't diluted like with the glasses counterparts.  Not that the 3D was more impressive in itself.


Funny thing you mention popping out. There were some demoes where it absolutely did... too much in fact. The Resident Evil demo popped out so much it hurt your eyes. I'll tell you something the Crysis 2 devs told me though: Good 3D is depth, not protrusion. Protrusion is that cheap cheesy shit you got in the 90s where they threw crap at the screen to be gimmicky. Most 3DS games do 3D right. If you saw Avatar in 3D, for example, that's good 3D. Good 3D isn't constantly reminding you it's 3D. Rather, it uses it as a tool for extra immersion and realism as the depth of field added gives you more clarity.

The problem the 3DS faced in some of those reports is gaming press aren't movie press. They arent used to 3D yet, and they expect things thrown at the screen. They don't understand that nothing pulls you out of an experinece faster than random protrusion and the distortion and eyestrain it creates. So trust me on this; someone who's paid a lot of attention to 3D and its development as an enhancing entertainment device. The 3DS is no less capable in 3D than anything else, and it's a good thing that it's mostly been used for depth.

You sound too smart for your own good.  Most people will eventually get your view point but it will only take time and experience (which almost no one here has).  The problem with most post is that no one knows anything or has experienced it.  Most know that they don't want to wear 3D glasses though.  Lets just move your two posts up to the top of the forum thread right after the original post.  Then maybe more people will become more educated about the whole 3D experience and what is about to be released.



I will wear 3D glasses if it allows me see through clothes.



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Carl2291 said:
KungKras said:
Carl2291 said:

Nintendo being arrogant again.

tut, tut, tut.


You're drawing that conclusion from a thread about a comment made by Sony?

I was calling Nintendo's bashing of glasses arrogant.

Then I guess every fucker on the entire internet, and everyone in the world who isn't Sony(oh wait, they bash them too, but call them necessary) are arrogant as shit, because they hate those damn things.

WTF man? Get real. NOBODY likes the goddamn glasses, they are just a price you have to pay to watch 3D movies. Bashing something because it has a price sucks. However, bashing the actual price is WIDELY accepted.

If I was considering giving my left nut for a gold statue of Cthulu, and I ponder, "Damn, that's a pretty steep and shitty price" am I being arrogant as well?

IMO, the glasses are shit, and in 5 years they won't exist or matter. However, in reality, no consumer is hoping that doesn't happen. Everyone wants glassesless technology, and saying that the glasses suck compared to no glasses is a statement of fucking fact far more than it is a statement of arrogance.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Hynad said:

Sigh @ Selnor.

You do realise that the PS3 will be able to display 3D on glasses-less TVs too, right?


May not actually be true. Chances are, it won't be true.

The tech are different, in that, even the 3DTV from different companies requires different 3D glasses to work properly.

There was a piece of news some weeks ago that you could wear the 3D glasses upside down to make it work with another company's 3DTV. Don't remember which ones though. Probably Samsung and LG.



Glasses are shit, lalalalala!



naznatips said:

As probably the only person around here who's used 3D on the PS3 and 3D on the 3DS extensivel (maybe the only person who's done either) I can tell you it's a pretty big difference. Those shaded 3D glasses you're going to be wearing to use 3D on consoles dulls the picture, and are especially noticeable and uncomfortable if you, like me, wear glasses already.

The 3DS is the most clear and crisp 3D I've ever seen, and there's zero image or color distortion. Obviously this requires you to somewhat center the image from your viewpoint, but I was able to hold it comfortably in numerous positions and get a zero-distortion picture. Whether Sony is happy about it or not, at the moment Nintendo has a technology that is better than their 3D technology, and cannot be used on 3D TVs because of the distortion from non-centered viewpoints.

It's too bad, but 3D with glasses is not a comparable experience, at the moment, to what the 3DS offers. It's not as comfortable, and it's not as effective.

Edit: As for people touting glasses-free TVs, those do not function. You have to be within 10 degrees of the center of the TV to get a clear picture on them, which obviously makes their use in a living room setting... well, nonexistent. Those will never take off under current technology used in them. They are trash.

That's great! I was thinking that the 3DS would have a"worse" 3D than the one those awful glasses offer - thinking that that was the price you had to pay for not using them.

Then the 3DS has the best of both worlds (quality and confort)! It'll be huge indeed, now I'm even more sure of it.



Sony is just pissed that they have invested in potentially obsolete technology.