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Scoobes on 29 June 2010
9009pc said:
oldschoolfool said:

what would be the point of 3D video chat? How would that work anyways. lol


don't see why they would need a new eye for that anyway. all they need is to have the move in the screen and the people on either end to have a 3D TV. don't know the point myself but Nintendo have already boasted about it with the 3DS

You need 2 cameras input to output in 3D. The 3DS has this too.




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dumbo on 29 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
slowmo said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
starcraft said:

Wait a moment.

There has been an enormous amount of crap floating around making out the marginal difference in processing power between the Xbox 360 and PS3 to be some huge thing.  Now suddenly a PSEye without advanced chips is going to supercede the Xbox 360's Xenon Substantial onboard Kinect computing power with JUST the CELL?


Right.


its just a rumour and sony didn't say whether it will be releaseing it or not and no word whether it will have a processor or not.

we don't have confirmation of the product and you are jumpin onto the technical details...........lmao

 

and nobody said it would superseed 360 and KINECT abilities


"If Sony were to expand on this and use the Cell Processor to calculate extraordinary 3D accuracy over and above what Kinect can achieve, we could see Kinect easily superceded."

While they never said would, could is still a very powerful term to use about a rumour.

they could have meant that the KINECT which is rumoured not using or using an extra processor.if KINECT doesn't have its own processor then it could be true

AFAIK Kinect takes a 'raw' image from the depth camera, and processes it (locating bodies/skeletons) with the Xenon processor/system resources.

[The chip that primesense use for the post-processing only tracks 2 skeletons, (AFAICT) only produces 2d skeletons and it would add lag to the system - so for kinect, this was sensibly not used]

So, yes that would be directly comparable to doing it directly on the cell processor.

.....

However... if the device is (as stated) being used for 3d chat, then it likely has nothing (whatsoever) to do with Kinect.

Expected eyetoy3d: 2xRGB camera.
Kinect: 1xRGB camera, 1 'depth sensor'.

For 'skeletal detection':
- kinect produces an accurate 3d depth map that gets post-processed to a fairly-accurate skeleton.
- eyetoy3d gets 2 images that would need insane amounts of "black magic" to find any objects.

For 'video chat':
- kinect would have to 'estimate/calculate' left/right eye, along with guessing the bits that it can't see.  It should be able to produce *an* image, but not 3d exactly.
- eyetoy3d gets 2 images, sends those directly to the output TV - and immediately has 'perfect' 3d chat.

If true, this looks more like Sony pushing harder into 3dtvs/"3ds-style tech" than Sony showing an interest in Kinect.  (it should also be relatively cheap... ~2x the cost of a standard eyetoy as it's literally another camera increased bandwidth).



Solid_Snake4RD on 29 June 2010
dumbo said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
slowmo said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
starcraft said:

Wait a moment.

There has been an enormous amount of crap floating around making out the marginal difference in processing power between the Xbox 360 and PS3 to be some huge thing.  Now suddenly a PSEye without advanced chips is going to supercede the Xbox 360's Xenon Substantial onboard Kinect computing power with JUST the CELL?


Right.


its just a rumour and sony didn't say whether it will be releaseing it or not and no word whether it will have a processor or not.

we don't have confirmation of the product and you are jumpin onto the technical details...........lmao

 

and nobody said it would superseed 360 and KINECT abilities


"If Sony were to expand on this and use the Cell Processor to calculate extraordinary 3D accuracy over and above what Kinect can achieve, we could see Kinect easily superceded."

While they never said would, could is still a very powerful term to use about a rumour.

they could have meant that the KINECT which is rumoured not using or using an extra processor.if KINECT doesn't have its own processor then it could be true

AFAIK Kinect takes a 'raw' image from the depth camera, and processes it (locating bodies/skeletons) with the Xenon processor/system resources.

[The chip that primesense use for the post-processing only tracks 2 skeletons, (AFAICT) only produces a 2d skeletons and it would add lag to the system - so for kinect, this was sensibly not used]

So, yes that would be directly comparable to doing it directly on the cell processor.

.....

However... if the device is (as stated) being used for 3d chat, then it likely has nothing (whatsoever) to do with Kinect.

Expected eyetoy3d: 2xRGB camera.
Kinect: 1xRGB camera, 1 'depth sensor'.

For 'skeletal detection':
- kinect produces an accurate 3d depth map that gets post-processed to an accurate skeleton.
- eyetoy3d gets 2 images that would need insane amounts of "black magic" to find any objects.

For 'video chat':
- kinect would have to 'estimate/calculate' left/right eye, along with guessing the bits that it can't see.  It should be able to produce *an* image, but not 3d exactly.
- eyetoy3d gets 2 images, sends those directly to the output camera - and immediately has 'perfect' 3d chat.

If true, this looks more like Sony pushing harder into 3dtvs/"3ds-style tech" than Sony showing an interest in Kinect.  (it should also be relatively cheap... ~2x the cost of a standard eyetoy as it's literally another camera increased bandwidth).

if released for the PS3 then it wouldn't matter as people won't buy it only for 3D chat so thats why i was saying

 

it could be they are implementing in their TV for channel browsing



ArnoldRimmer on 29 June 2010

I agree with dumbo. This device makes perfect sense for owners of 3DTVs, not for controller-free gaming.



starcraft on 29 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
starcraft said:

Wait a moment.

There has been an enormous amount of crap floating around making out the marginal difference in processing power between the Xbox 360 and PS3 to be some huge thing.  Now suddenly a PSEye without advanced chips is going to supercede the Xbox 360's Xenon Substantial onboard Kinect computing power with JUST the CELL?


Right.


its just a rumour and sony didn't say whether it will be releaseing it or not and no word whether it will have a processor or not.

we don't have confirmation of the product and you are jumpin onto the technical details...........lmao

 

and nobody said it would superseed 360 and KINECT abilities

The article's author explicitly stated that he believed the CELL could allow the PSEYE3D to outperform Kinect.

Read before you attack me.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 29 June 2010
starcraft said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
starcraft said:

Wait a moment.

There has been an enormous amount of crap floating around making out the marginal difference in processing power between the Xbox 360 and PS3 to be some huge thing.  Now suddenly a PSEye without advanced chips is going to supercede the Xbox 360's Xenon Substantial onboard Kinect computing power with JUST the CELL?


Right.


its just a rumour and sony didn't say whether it will be releaseing it or not and no word whether it will have a processor or not.

we don't have confirmation of the product and you are jumpin onto the technical details...........lmao

 

and nobody said it would superseed 360 and KINECT abilities

The article's author explicitly stated that he believed the CELL could allow the PSEYE3D to outperform Kinect.

Read before you attack me.


NOT ATTACKING so don't take offense

 

the article does but the people who wrote the  are making their own opinion but what report they got was that a reliable person has seen such a device from LONDON studios

 

also TOSHIBA is already doing CELL CAMERA TV's

 

JUST DISCUSSING OPTIONS here



jneul on 29 June 2010
selnor said:
jneul said:

please sony don't do this, the amount of abuse we shall receive as ps user's will be beyond bearable.


I understand where your coming from here. The whole copying thing. 

But I think more importantly it would hurt Move and Sony's image if they were to release another peripheral and games for it. To many variations on 1 system would drop support for each and show Sony lack of direction.

They should now go with Move fully, and wait till next gen for an upgrade. Kinect will already have the market for the controller free market. 

Sony should fully get behind Move. Their eggs need to be in 1 basket.


I agree with what you said, it would look like a huge lack of vision if they started to copy kinect, at least with move there is evidence of R&D from 2004 (even if the current controller look has been inspired by the wii).

I am not sure they should go that direction at all with just 3d camera tech, i mean i have an eyetoy and it's fun and it only does it in 2d, but it really does lack the physical connection you need, which is something to hold, and you need buttons for more complicated games.



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M.U.G.E.N on 29 June 2010
walkerj said:

I don't think he was saying all the sudden the ps3 would use this camera to do what Kinect does with seperate processors. If he did then he's not aware that Kinect is a massve drain on resources because of a conveluded detection system. I think he was suggesting that the 3d camera could capture the gamer in 3d. Certain move games show the gamer while they are playing and THAT image could then be in 3d to accompany 3d games.

yeah pretty much this



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9009pc on 29 June 2010
Scoobes said:
9009pc said:
oldschoolfool said:

what would be the point of 3D video chat? How would that work anyways. lol


don't see why they would need a new eye for that anyway. all they need is to have the move in the screen and the people on either end to have a 3D TV. don't know the point myself but Nintendo have already boasted about it with the 3DS

You need 2 cameras input to output in 3D. The 3DS has this too.

not true. I'll go at get proof brb.

here we go it's go to do with layers in the image.
http://gizmodo.com/334426/zcam-3d-camera-is-like-wii-without-wiimote-and-minority-report-without-gloves

The move controllers acts like these layers the processor in the ps3 is then able to calculate the distance of everything else based on this data.

in other words as long as the move is in front of the camera the ps eye can track depth.



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spiffiness on 30 June 2010

Until they make 3D tvs that don't need glasses, this would be lame for video chat. Who wants to stare at people wearing those things anyway?



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