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Solid_Snake4RD on 29 June 2010
JaggedSac said:
aragod said:
JaggedSac said:


What Milo promised was deeper immersion in games due to the ability to interact with the game via a natural user interface, ie the body, voice, and face.  From what I have read about Kinectimals, it utilizes all of these concepts.

Yes, so does the ballon game where you knock down the bricks... waggle your body, do headbutt and call BALL for a new ball. Groundbreaking concepts.

Advanced AI that interacts with you and should represent a real human doesn't equal Nintendog. Nintendog's have all the features that were shown for Kinectimals, and more. That's no way near to what was promised in that fake Milo demo.

The concepts in Milo were actually quite simple.  You guys were reading far to into it.  Pete has stated on many occasions that he wasn't creating the most advanced AI ever created.  He was creating something that seemed like the most advanced AI ever created, using tricks.  The animals in Kinectimals will recognize your face, voice, and will interact with you via your body.  These are all things that the Milo tech demonstrated.  The only difference here is the idea of having a conversation.

And I am unfamiliar with Nintendogs, what features are you saying are not here?

really how many speech commands you give have a different reaction to Kinectimals

also commands to animals are very limited

 

EYEPET and Nintendogs is the same



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daroamer on 29 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
daroamer said:
gamelover2000 said:

so it was fake after all..


Except for all the people who actually played with Milo at last year's E3? 

http://kotaku.com/5275204/testing-molyneuxs-milo-a-virtual-boy-with-yes-a-dog

It wasn't fake but perhaps it just never ended up being a good, you know, game.


no they just couldn't have done it.


Couldn't have done what?



Solid_Snake4RD on 29 June 2010
daroamer said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
daroamer said:
gamelover2000 said:

so it was fake after all..


Except for all the people who actually played with Milo at last year's E3? 

http://kotaku.com/5275204/testing-molyneuxs-milo-a-virtual-boy-with-yes-a-dog

It wasn't fake but perhaps it just never ended up being a good, you know, game.


no they just couldn't have done it.


Couldn't have done what?


MILO



ArnoldRimmer on 29 June 2010
daroamer said:

Except for all the people who actually played with Milo at last year's E3? 

http://kotaku.com/5275204/testing-molyneuxs-milo-a-virtual-boy-with-yes-a-dog

It wasn't fake but perhaps it just never ended up being a good, you know, game.

Did you actually read that article?

It pretty much says that the guy from kotaku stood in front of the TV and said some nice things, which Milo reacted to by smiling, and the whole thing was controlled by a Microsoft developer who was in the room as well.

So the "real" Milo was never even remotely as advanced as people thought when seeing the Milo trailer. It was only a scripted trailer, and that's why people consider it as "fake".



slowmo on 29 June 2010

Slow week for Sony news?  Usually the case when we start seeing Kinect bashing threads.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 29 June 2010
slowmo said:

Slow week for Sony news?  Usually the case when we start seeing Kinect bashing threads.


not usually but when such a big gaff has been played with people for an year,it is the case even for 360 fans



Farmageddon on 29 June 2010

Ha, some people were just missinformed and expected much more than what Milo was stated to be even by Molyneux himself. Of course the thing didn't understand what you were saying. Of course it couldn't really make completely new, non-programmed answers on the fly. It was all about "smoke and mirrors" (he used the term himself), as basically all AI trying to resemble a human is. It would simply take a few things (like tone of voice, maybe basic facial expressions, and keywords) and try to interpret that, and of course use scripted answers, and this was pointed out by the developers themselves, so people acting like it was supposed to be anything more are simply wrong.

Also, even this looks like a big project on AI, and it must be remembered Lionhead has plenty of experience in that field, and they allegedly had been working on a project that became Milo a long time before Natal came around.



Dallinor on 29 June 2010
slowmo said:

Slow week for Sony news?  Usually the case when we start seeing Kinect bashing threads.


In what way is this 'Kinect bashing news?'



 

JaggedSac on 29 June 2010
Farmageddon said:

Ha, some people were just missinformed and expected much more than what Milo was stated to be even by Molyneux himself. Of course the thing didn't understand what you were saying. Of course it couldn't really make completely new, non-programmed answers on the fly. It was all about "smoke and mirrors" (he used the term himself), as basically all AI trying to resemble a human is. It would simply take a few things (like tone of voice, maybe basic facial expressions, and keywords) and try to interpret that, and of course use scripted answers, and this was pointed out by the developers themselves, so people acting like it was supposed to be anything more are simply wrong.

Also, even this looks like a big project on AI, and it must be remembered Lionhead has plenty of experience in that field, and they allegedly had been working on a project that became Milo a long time before Natal came around.

You are correct.



Dallinor on 29 June 2010
Darth Tigris said:
daroamer said:
gamelover2000 said:

so it was fake after all..


Except for all the people who actually played with Milo at last year's E3? 

http://kotaku.com/5275204/testing-molyneuxs-milo-a-virtual-boy-with-yes-a-dog

It wasn't fake but perhaps it just never ended up being a good, you know, game.

Now you know that this post will get categorically ignored, right?

Did you even read the article in the link?

"There was a little awkwardness here. The Milo demo was partially being manipulated by a developer who was sitting nearby, and I couldn't tell if he was merely calibrating the game or how much he was pulling its strings."

"I left impressed with the ambition on display but also certain that what we were shown was loosely stitched. Much tightening and tuning will be needed to make Milo feel like more than a collection of tech experiments."

I think the initial videos shown gave the impression of Milo being much more complete and much more interactive. As it turns out, the tech demo seems to be far more limited, which is what lead to people calling it 'fake'.