I meant the DLC. Or did you miss that.

You knew what I meant. So dont be tistecular.

No

"Black ops is exclusive to 360 this year"

wheres the DLC in there?

You know what I meant saying Exclusive. So I wrote the wrong thing. You know what I meant.

It's just an oppurtunity to bash 360 fans. Like I said Testicular.

LOL I know what you ment? who da F* do you think I am a witch with a crystal ball that shows me what ppl intentions are?

I think this thread has basically fallen into sniping which is a shame.

The fact of the matter is both Halo and Gran Turismo are big franchises.

In this gen only Halo has had a proper game released. Most of the GT talk is based on how it did on previous gens. Until one is fully released we will not know, it will just be speculation. You can't use that as some kind of defence/attack. But what we can say as 100% fact and can't be dismissed or spun is that THIS GEN has already seen a Halo game sell over 11m units.

Looking at he predictions people are saying 10m for GT5. Around 8m for Halo Reach. I think that puts massive pressure on GT5 to get off to a good start. GT4 sold 3.5m in it's first two weeks. To put that into context that is basically what CODMW2 sold in the sametime. It is more then what GTA4 sold. That is the bar this gen and if GT5 is to get to those numbers it needs to beat them. Basically doubling the opening of the previous PS3 exclusive. That is some high hopes!

@selnor

Have you ever played a racing simulation game??? Or drove a real racing car?? Because Forza 3 has almost nothing simulation... it's a Arcade racing game with some simulation features.

Yes I have. I also race on weekends. So I know how a 'racing' car handles to. Have you ever driven a car with actual downforce? ( Not fake Impreza spoilers round town ). 

IRacing and RFactor are very good. And the best on the market. 

For a console sim ( as I said previously ) Forza is quite a way ahead. Obviously it may change when GT5 is released. But as Polyphony have not mentioned any of the above stuff, I am not holding my breath.

Did you even read the part in the Gran Turismo site where they said they have a physics for the entire tire temperature? Do you honestly think it will only be for a more realistic smoke? 

Also, driving style affecting how quickly you can heat your tires has been implemented on GT before, GT4 had a rudimentary system, true, but it has been done. Of course it'll be enhanced for GT5.

And for your last phrase, don't patronize GT fans Selnor, it doesn't do any credit to you. If you had read the entire detail sheet over at GT site you would see the physics and mechanical changes they are implementing so far on GT5. 

Gran Turismo has always been used by far more than just GT fans as it's one of the most realistic approaches to racing, even GT5P garnered high praises from F1 to WRC pilots because of the fidelity approach not only to the tracks, but to the simulation aspect itself: http://www.gamer.tm/news.php?id=1919

Once again, practice what you preached before Selnor, wait before you make these assumptions, unless you fall into the same hypocrisy that you hated last year. 

I think you're really overpredicting Halo Reach's sales, but we'll see. COD was different though, MW1 was a slow burner and got a lot of new people into the franchise, including me. MW2 got all those people the people who bought the game used on the first one because it was a slow burner. Halo has a longer history of being a blockbuster than MW and we've seen time and again that userbase usually does not account for a huge increase in a game's sales, but we'll see. I hope you're right though, the Halo franchise is fantastic and has done more to bring FPS to consoles than any other.

I thought selnor was a "racing fan" yet he is attacking GT just like a  mother would attack her child's enemy..