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MDMAniac on 19 June 2010

I would love to see Ninty start producing really big 3D TVs for living room based on the same tech they've delivered with 3DS! This will be death blow to Sony and epic move for Ninty. Just imagine how cheap and awesome that would be, and Ninty coul invent something really big when integrating Wii/Wii2 and TV tech into a one box! Oh, I'm so drooling over such a possibility...



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Xoj on 19 June 2010
Christian973 said:
badgenome said:
KylieDog said:

Lol at Nintendos 3D success?  With what?  The zero amount fo 3D thinhs that have released?  Who is it that actually does have 3D tech and games out there for people to buy?  Oh right Sony.

 

Piggyback my ass.



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hsrob on 19 June 2010
MDMAniac said:

I would love to see Ninty start producing really big 3D TVs for living room based on the same tech they've delivered with 3DS! This will be death blow to Sony and epic move for Ninty. Just imagine how cheap and awesome that would be, and Ninty coul invent something really big when integrating Wii/Wii2 and TV tech into a one box! Oh, I'm so drooling over such a possibility...

Nintendo doesn't make the screen, I'm pretty sure Sharp does.  Believe me, if the tech worked on big screens we would have already seen them.



Skeeuk on 19 June 2010
superchunk said:

From a company point of view, the 3DS will help Sony as 3D will become more of a mainstream technology that everyone wants. So, they have the opportunity to sell more TVs, movies, etc.

However, from future PSP point of view, there is a reason no PSP2 has been mentioned yet. It will have a 3D screen (probably same screen) when Sony finally shows it off. If they don't they will lose the market share the current PSP has gained.


i was thinking same thing, i wouldnt be suprised if a new PSP is revealed soon with a 3d touch screen.

with handhelds you need a gimmick attached to the console that people want to experiance, the ds has a twin screen and stylus touch screen, so its clearly obvious why people look at the DS, with the PSP it has no gimmick at all, its just basically a sub-ps2 handheld ie a standard console.

the next PSP will obviously be 3D sony have the tech but have not shown anything yet. but more over, i really want to know how much the 3ds will cost, im presuming next year sometime, my current guess is $299 £249



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Alby_da_Wolf on 19 June 2010
hsrob said:
MDMAniac said:

I would love to see Ninty start producing really big 3D TVs for living room based on the same tech they've delivered with 3DS! This will be death blow to Sony and epic move for Ninty. Just imagine how cheap and awesome that would be, and Ninty coul invent something really big when integrating Wii/Wii2 and TV tech into a one box! Oh, I'm so drooling over such a possibility...

Nintendo doesn't make the screen, I'm pretty sure it's Sharp's does.  Believe me, if the tech worked on big screens we would have already seen them.

This. The system is a lot cheaper than the current others, but it doesn't work at any distance  and viewing angle, it's not suitable for home TVs, at least not in the current implementations.



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kaneada on 19 June 2010
jarrod said:
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jarrod said:
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jarrod said:
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jarrod said:
steverhcp02 said:

@Jarrod

I dont see how Avatar made 3d a standard everyday. People can go to the cinema and fork over an extra 3 bucks thats easy, its convincing them its worthy of being used in their homes. Terrible analogy.

Im argueing against it because you seem to believe that if someone experiences 3d on a mobile device with a 3.5 inch screen they will all of sudden expect the same experience on a 55 inch screen in their home or on a 50 foot cinema screen.

3DS will not set any consumer standard because its a 3DS, its a 3.5 inch screen that people use to play videogames. I also said Sony isnt "pleased" because all of a sudden people will go buy all their 3D stuff for home theaters, the fact a company like Nintendo is embracing 3D is good overall for the market in the long term

I'm argueing against it because i firmly believe people are not as idiotic as youre implying, assuming they will expect a similar 3D experience on their 3DS as in their living rooms given the very different variables. 

Avatar was the proof on concept for 3D entertainment.  I'm not saying it set any standard, I'm saying it cemented the concept of 3D entertainment.  It's the springboard everyone's working from.

What Sony needs to do is prove their own standard out.  3DS actually works directly against that, 3DS literally is "the standard" Nintendo's pushing.  If consumers adopt that standard foremost, and align with Nintendo's position that "glassesless" should be the standard for 3D, it works directly against Sony's format.

And I'm not implying consumers are "idiotic", I'm saying if Nintendo sets the standard (glassesless) consumers will expect more in their living rooms than what Sony's pushing.  If the technology isn't there, then they'll simply wait until it is.  

I guess i should clarify, what i mean is, the glassless 3D being affordable enough to mass produce or sell is too far off. By me saying people arent idiotic, i mean people will not expect glassless 3d in their homes right now. Thsi in no way hurts Sony or other manufacturers. Just like when AVatar took off and 3D in cinemas was going strong for a while it didnt make people stop buying 2D television to wait for 3D, just like i believe the 3DS will not stop people from buying 3D TV's because they need glasses.

Long term glassless 3D will be essential, what im saying is, opening the door on this market over the next 3-4 years is essential and the 3DS does NOT harm Sony from doing that in the living room, it helps them.

Consumers will not associate what they see with the 3DS and extrapolate that to what they expect from a live action movie on a big screen. They wont view them as identicle, but they will view them as 3D which is whats so important and th epoint i was trying to make. Seeing the Ocarina of Time in 3D on a 3.5 inch screen will not increase expectations for watching Toy Story 3 in 3D on  a 55 inch screen. I feel consumers will understand the difference in image quality as well as screen size and thus not expect such a thing in their homes right now.

The avatar/television comparison really doesn't work though, as Avatar wasn't a consumer level product.  There's always been that fundamental divide between public and private consumer entertainment.  Avatar wasn't competitive with television, Nintendo and Sony's 3D formats however are starting to take a competitive approach (particularly from Nintendo's end, that's exactly how they're positioning 3DS).

If Nintendo defines the standard, their goal is define it as "glassesless" and to define glasses-baed-3D as goofy, expensive and archaic.  That doesn't support Sony, that impedes them, pretty directly.  Even worse for Sony (and everyone pushing 3DTV, and Apple as well actually), in addition to gaming Nintendo's aggressively pursuing film content seemingly, and they already have the ear of Disney, Dreamworks and WB (and likely other content providers).   Nintendo's made it pretty clear what direction they're heading, and it rather obviously does not support Sony's 3D standard...

Sony's 3D standards are not limited to stereoscopic technology, it can also be used with autoSS3D as well. Idon't know how much you know about the tech that Nintendo is using, but the only difference is the use of a paralax barrier included on the screen, rather than in glasses.

Nintendo's choice in technology really doesn't matter in this debate as Sony is more interested in pushing PS3s and their gaming standards, which yes will inevitable lead to people buying TV's, but ultimately is meant to sell PS3s. However, though they have pioneered the advertising, they would much rather let Nintendo assume the risk of selling the first mass market device then come in later with living room technology when it is cheaper. Sony has no intentions of running a short term campaign on this.

I dunno, I think an approach like that among television manufacturers very much runs the risk of consumer fatigue and even resentment.  There's already some feeling of discontent over the relatively quick HD to 3D shift the industry if trying to push (versus SD to HD).  Another quick move from the current approach to 3D to a new "glassesless" television standard a couple years down the line could sour the market entirely.  Consumers also tend not to be looking "short term" when it comes to buying a TV. 

As far as technology, the distinction seems to be more in implementation and approach.  Nintendo's already trying to define "3D at home", we all heard their opening salvos at E3; glasses are uncool and undesirable.  That might typify the general handheld versus setup approach to 3D in the coming years, and is a message I can definitely see Apple, Nokia and others converging around.  Manufacturers who participate in both markets (like Sony, LG, Samsung, etc) may find themselves at odds internally over it too.

I'd also argue from Nintendo's vantage point there looks to be relatively little risk, though it's admittedly early and there are still lots of questions unanswered.  3DS looks about as close to a "sure thing" as the games industry has seen since PlayStation 2 though.

 

I agree to some extent, but I'm still convinced that Sony is more trying to push a format rather than the actual hardware, hence the use of the PS3 as a medium to push the encoding format. I don't think Sony cares if you or I buy their model of TV, hence why I am saying that. Sony wants their software encoding and standards to maintain, not necessarily the hardware capable of it. Even if their venture into the actual TV's fail, their software tech will survive with the onset of AutoSS3D as the standard, due to the fact that the software essentially doesn't care whether one is using polarized glasses or a paralax internal screen to split the image. As long as the screen or glasses can accomplish the shutter effect, the software will be relevant.

So to sum up my speculation and my long term prediction:

1. Sony cares about software and rendering standards for Blu-Ray and PS3 software.

2. Sony cares about selling PS3's because its a one stop, inexpensive shop to market these software technologies.

3. They really don't care if their TV's are what push the hardware medium as long as 1 and 2 survives market penetration of 3D.

4. One can assume that, should their be a PS4, the focus will be utilitzing the software technology as a marketing point.

They stand to profit off of 3D encoded Blu-Rays, PS3 games, and console sales. I do realize the argument remains ,"What if the TV's don't sell," but overtime they will sell and Sony doesn't necessarily care that its their TV's paving the way.

Expect Sharp to be at the forefront of TV wave and Sony will ride the curtails of the 3DS' immediate capability of bringing 3D into the home and, Sharp made, AutoSS3D capable TVs as the prices fall and it becomes more economic. Sony is simply doing this now to make a future market which, more than likely, has 5 years before really starting to catch on and another 5 for the onset of mass market saturation. Hey it's the Sony 10 year plan again...lol

I see where you're going, and I agree there's some flexibility here for Sony should "glasses 3D" ultimately fail.  But I also don't think Sony's in quite the secure position you're painting them here, Blu-ray and PlayStation can certainly adapt to a newer market, but if the current push for 3D TVs fails, it's going to have significant impact company wide.  To say Sony essentially doesn't care if their TVs sell seems hugely shortsighted, and reminds a bit of the revisionist talk we get from PS3 defenders about Sony using the platform for it's pyrric Blu-ray victory.  Yes, they could survive but no, this isn't their plan. 

I also would add that the TV manufacturers are doing themselves a disservice by not forming a committee and agreeing on unified hardware standards for 3D. There's seems to be some agreement content side at least, but I honestly think the initiative hardware side is too fractured and that's going to lead to consumer confusion and unrest... I know this isn't a perfect comparison but I mean can you imagine if we'd gone through something similar for Blu-ray?  If you needed a Sony TV to use a Sony BD player (or even the PS3)? I think it'd probably be a dead format right now. :/

 

Agreed that with no standardization there is a rocky road to overcome, but it plays to my point that Sony is more interested in software standardization than hardware.

Allow me to qualify my point as yes, as you stated, it is short sighted and due to me being at work at the time I was hard pressed for time to complete my arguments. It’s not that Sony shouldn’t care about the marketing of their 3D hardware, or that it’s an insignificant factor, it’s just that they are guaranteed a level of success if any of the 3D manufacturers succeed. They made the smart moves and made sure that their software solution can work with any currently employed 3D technology on the market. As you and I both agree this allows them a certain level of flexibility that this gives Sony room to position themselves for success in this new market.

Also consider that Sony made another smart move by making the technology optional. Purchase a PS3 game and both video encodings are on the disk. If there is one methodology that I think Sony has been bringing to the table as of late its choice. I don’t have to go 3D to own this game, or this console, nor do I need to buy motion sensing controls to play the same software. This actually does save them some costs, as it allows them to limit quantities for markets they have not proven successful in yet. I’m certain that 3D TVs, while they are being heavily pushed, is not being run in high quantities, anymore than the Move will be run in high quantities. While this does not mitigate profit loss if they should lose the hardware battle (3D TV’s) the loss won’t have as much impact. If nothing else, Sony is a very resilient company.



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badgenome on 19 June 2010
Xoj said:
Christian973 said:
badgenome said:
KylieDog said:

Lol at Nintendos 3D success?  With what?  The zero amount fo 3D thinhs that have released?  Who is it that actually does have 3D tech and games out there for people to buy?  Oh right Sony.

 

Piggyback my ass.



ROFL ROFL ROFL!


that failed.. like the gameboy micro.

Then why is Sony copying it?