Joelcool7 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Joelcool7 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
DrJay said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
what numbers do you wanna know
i am telling why SONY's profits are shown to be down
SONY had so much R&D going on
you really think with the Software of 1.6 BILLION games sold for PS2,they would have made money in royalties more than Nintendo and the amount they were making on hardware
just anwser to me why did SONY's PLAYSTATION profits dipped in 2005 even with the blockbusters like GT4,SAN ANDREAS,MGS3,etc
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And Nintendo was also undergoing R & D at that time yet still managed to make a lot of profit. So what is your point?
Sony: Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii.
Nintendo: Massive profits, controlled R & D costs, developed to DS and Wii to disrupt Sony.
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so you are saying Wii R&D costs as much as CELL $400m budget and the extra BLU-RAY?
Sony: Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii for future profits from PS4 and blu-ray royalties
Nintendo: Massive profits, controlled R & D costs,Wii got alot of help from PS3 high pricing
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Near the end of the GameCube generation Nintendo released R&D numbers. They said they spent over 250-mill a year R&D on both their home and handheld consoles. Thats 500-million dollars a year in R&D. Don't think for a second that they don't invest as much if not more then Sony does in R&D.
SONY spent more than $2b R&D on PS3 alone.Nintendo didn't do that for Wii and DS combined and hasn't done for any of their consoles or handheld.so they aren't as much or more than SONY's R&D.
again you misunderstand me,i am not trying to say Nintendo don't unvest but as gaming is their sole business and they aren't as big as MS or SONY they take very less risk and always make console that are not expensive in price
Keep in mind the Wiimote has been in the works since the NES. Nintendo also had their own 3D technology at GameCube's launch. Nintendo obviously invested heavily in 3D since they have the 3DS and no other company beat them too it, even Sony's executives don't think its possible I remember Pachter saying if Sony couldn't do it Nintendo definatly couldn't, well they did and are.Also remember when Natal was announced, Nintendo stated at the time that they had also worked on camera technology similiar to Natal but didn't think the technology worked and chose to go with the Wiimote.
Wiimote wasn't in the works since NES.they were working on somethig else out of which after sometime they got the idea of Wii motion control the same way SONY got the idea of MOVE.but both of them were not at start developing the project as we see today
the GAMECUBE 3D you talk about is not real 3D as that kind of 3D can be output by any console.but for the console like the PS3 which can do 3D and transmit 3D at 1080p itself is not what GAMECUBE did.that ways PS2 could also do it
they have the 3DS but i'm sure it doesn't cost much as Nintendo wouldn't release it and they wouldn't take a loss too
you are talking complete bullshit
Think about it a second , even the batteries that go into the DS and such, why do they have like 10x the lasting power of the PSP? Did Nintendo just wish upon a star. Also up until the Wii Nintendo pioneered all their own media formats developing their own cartridges and mini-disks, that costs alot of money that Sony saved by going CD, DVD then BluRay.Lets not forget the gyroscopes, tilt sensors, balance board...vitality sensor.....WiiMotionPlus...... All these peripherals cost money to develope. Think of the amount of R&D that went into creating the vitality sensor for example.
you know that DS is noway near as powerfull as PSP and that way PSP would suck much more power to stay ON?
Nintendo only had their own format because they didn't wanna pay the DVD makers the royalties.And they didn't pioneer anything.the GAMECUBE disc were actually alot like mini-DVDs so they didn't really do much there.they actually just saved costs
those peripherals you talk about use INFRARED which is really an old tech and they don't cost as much as what SONY is investing in R&D.
you simply don't know what you are talking about here
Who knows what Nintendo has been developing without our knowledge. I know Sony spends alot on R&D but Nintendo probubly spends just as much if not more.
who knows what SONY has been developing now in their R7D without our knowledge
but by Nintendo's record and their company being solely gaming based,they will not invest as much
ana they don't spend as much or more than SONY in R&D
again if you understood me,i am not saying Nintendo doesn't spend much but they don't do as SONY do as they can't take as many risks
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Miyamoto clearly stated that the idea of a Wiimote came about during the NES era and they worked on the technology since then realising they couldn't implement it well in the 90's. The technology has been in developement for a decade.
he said it and you believed it.....................lamo
the same way SONY said the MOVE was idealized in PS2 era.What they mean is that they had a concept and along the time they got the final product
Nintendo alsways makes cheap platforms.... lol the GameCube cost a mint to make and the N64 was state of the art costing hundreds to manufacture when it was released. Sony makes a single expensive state of the art machine and suddenly Nintendo only makes cheap machines? GameCube was far superior to the PS2 and the N64 was far superior to the PSOne. Nintendo chose to go cheap with the Wii, one time and you want to say Nintendo always does....seriously thats purposterous!
by expensive i don't mean the price of PS3 or the console itself but the leap taken from 1 generation to another.
my point was that Nintendo didn't take any leap from GC to Wii.
yes N64 was superior to PS1 but it wasn't much difference.ity was just what tech was at that time
i am just saying that Nintendo doesn't do as much R&D as SONY.
do you really think when MS and SONY like heavyweights are there in the industry,Nintendo will take risks that are expensive.
The same way Sony got the idea for Move? You seriously think that Sony's R&D teams were working on Move prior to Nintendo's reveal? You think Sony came up with the idea in a lab before Nintendo pioneered the technology. lol...lol...LOL... Sony took four years to bring the Move to the market after Nintendo released the Wiimote. If Sony was indeed working on said technology before Nintendo they would have had the product on shelves way quicker.
like i said they got it along the lines but not at first the same like NIntendo and Wii.
SONY didn't intend to use the tech as they didn't think it was the future but when Wii got the attention because of PS3's high price,they brought in the TECH
do you really think Nintendo would have gone with Wii if they were dominating in the PS2 era.no they wouldn't have
It doesn't really matter why Nintendo had their own formats does it? It still costs millions in R&D to develope those formats. Yes they may have done it to avoid paying royalties but Nintendo also did it to combat piracy etc...etc... But again as I said it doesn't matter why they did it it still cost alot in R&D.
oh now it doesn't matter but first you were claiming they had their own awesome formats
combat PIRACY.......................hehe they did that very well as we can see their consoles pirated
but you were claiming their formats before to be of an achivement
The 3D screen during the GameCube era, that would have cost money to develope and it must have been their since Nintendo seriously considered selling the screen. That technology was adopted to the 3DS all these years later. As for the other devices, infrared seriously you think the vitality sensor and balance board use only infrared and that makes them cheaper to develope.
Seriously who's the one talking out of their ass.
if NINTENDO sold 3D screens themselves in GC era,with the super high price of those screens they would go bankrupt
Rescent estimates (2008) claim Nintendo was that year spending 370-million dollars on their how console devision R&D. Nintendo is spending more and more and more on R&D. Think about it combined 500-mill a year every two years is a billion dollars.
yes they are doing that now cause they have the money but would they be doing it normally,no they wouldn't be.
and still after losing SONY would be spending more and maybe MS but they are mainly marketing and pushing their console
Yes Sony's cell may have cost 2-billion to make but Nintendo spends that in two years too if not more. Now you say thats not including all the stuff Sony is not telling us. Well the same can be said for Nintendo we don't know everything they have been developing either.
Nintendo didn't spend that much in the GC but only now as they have money.and SONY is still doing it even after being in 3rd place.just don't think if SONY did R&D in PS2 era for PS3 they wouldn't do it now
year over year SONY will be at the top
Seriously mighty Sony may have more costs due to being an entertainment monopoly sure they may take losses in their movies and music divisions. But they do not spend all that much more then Nintendo does on R&D. Since neither company reveals their full R&D costs its hard to tell who is spending more.
you are kidding yourself when saying SONY do not spend more on R&D then Nintendo.yes they don't reveal it but SONY still profits like in PS1 and PS2 era even with alot of R&D in their labs
You tell me I'm talking out my ass, dude your looking in a mirror. Yes Sony spends alot on R&D but Nintendo spends alot too and you can't claim Sony did so badly just because of R&D when Nintendo has never been in the red and spends that same at least 2-billion every four years.
i didn't say SONY did so badly because they did very well
but i was just saying when in PS1 and PS2 era,their profits were just below Nintendo profits and that could easily have been more than Nintendo without R&D
and Nintendo were never in RED as they didn't spend much in PS1 and PS2 era when they were just surviving on Handheld.ig they did use the handheld profits then they could easily would have been in the RED.
Also keep in mind the cell wasn't just developed for the PS3 but for computers and other devices in Sony's arsonal. Also it was made with help from other companies who helped Sony with R&D its not like Sony developed the chip all alone and for the PS3 only.
yes it was with the help of other companies but that was just the original TECH but SONY's R&D covers PS products optimised chips.Like the CELL processor in PS3 is clearly for the PS3
Neither of us know what Sony and Nintendo spent this year or what they are all working on but I can guarantee that Sony isn't outpacing Nintendo by all that much.
ATM Nintendo is investing as they are succesfull this GENERATION but can they do the same when they are strugling in 2nd or 3rd place like in PS1 and PS2 era.they conserved in those times and if their handheld profits wents then doomsdays upon them as they couldn't invest at the same amount in R&D like they are now
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