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Kinneas14 said:

Only time will say...Honor to Microsoft, Kinect is a risky move.


No it wasn't.

The Wii was.

Kinect wasn't.



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Sugu yoko de waratteita

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Reasonable said:
noname2200 said:
theprof00 said:

yeah and nintendo didn't even have elephants or skittles or oprah style giveaways


You don't need those when you let the game journalists get within a hundred feet of a hot girl.  Really Nintendo, I expected you to not be so obvious when "buying" good press.


At least they were attached to cables.  I heard MS was just giving them away...

when i saw them attached to their belts I instantly thought about someone seducing a 3ds girl and stealing her treasure.



darthdevidem01 said:

Wait people hated Nintendo's E3 2006?

Form what I remember the press was raving about the Wii and there were lines HOURS long waiting to play the Wii. Amidst the chaos SONY's E3 went bad.

We have heard nothing like that happen with NATAL.

Lol, I was going to say exactly this. XD



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Of the 3 only Microsoft is actually really putting something different out the others are offering much of what we have seen already. Will it succeed I cannot say, I know I thought the Wii was a stupid name after all who would name a console after a bodily function and wow was I wrong.

I will say this though although they have definitely got the most interesting concept in Kinect and it will be awesome in lots of applications it will simply not work in others. Of course the other systems cannot do things that only Kinect can do. So long as they know the limitations it will be fine. Will it actually be a big surprise in the way Nintendo was?

unlikely...

but it could and that is the exciting thing about Microsoft Kinect.



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TRios_Zen said:

Regarding whether Kinect is playable: according to Major Nelson they have a Kinect speficic area, here was a pic of the line to get in (from Major Nelson's blog); http://twitpic.com/1xbwdv

I was looking around for this and saw something that said otherwise, so if it is playable right now, then sorry for the misinformation. (wasn't intentional)


I do disagree with those saying Microsoft is trying something new, though. I don't think Kinect's games really do anything the Wii or Eyetoy hasn't already tried, it's just going about things in a different way.

It's definitely not like seeing Wii Sports back in 2006.



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Reasonable said:

The obvious difference being Nintendo did it leading the way when 70m console sales lay before them whereas MS (and Sony to be fair) are doing it to 'keep up' and are facing the fact of having to compete with each other plus the 70m incumbent Wii's for a share of the market.

MS aren't being an inovative disrupter here, they're aiming to go where others have lead - which is fair enough, happens all the time, but let's be real, if Wii hadn't been a success do you still think MS would have invested in Kinect the same way, given it the same priority and risked all on it (something they're no even doing TBH)?

Essentially for Kinect to be disruptive it needs three basic things as far as I can remember.

1. It needs to be good enough to serve the market and its purpose. Good enough doesn't mean perfect though, so Kinect can be flawed as it likely is in a few ways but so long as its good enough it meets the criteria. Wii hardware for example is what you'd call good enough as an alternative example.

2. It needs to serve underserved/unserved people. Essentially their angle is that Xbox 360 Kinect does 'more' than the Wii
with regards to media playback serving people who would otherwise not play games, it does multiplayer simpler in that people can drop in and out of games without fumbling with accessories and it reduces clutter. Essentially they say the Xbox 360 can do more than 6 accessories for the Wii to achieve with 1. I.E. One Kinect is worth 2 Wii motes, 2 Wii M , one sensor bar and the Wii Fit pad and never needs to be recharged whereas the Wii requires IIRC 7 AA batteries.

3. There are asynchronous motivations of the disrupter/disruptee and the diruptee cannot easily replicate the disruptors business model. The angle here is that Nintendo is a games software company first whereas Microsoft is a services software company first. Kinect is designed to service people who would never pick up a Wiimote whilst the Wiimote is designed to service those who would never pick up a standard controller. Microsoft doesn't care if they never sell a person a single game in 10 years so long as they can entice them with other services. This is why I say Kinect (Natal) is after the low side of the Wii audience whereas Move is attempting to stand in front of Nintendos natural progression up the market.

 

 



Tease.

darthdevidem01 said:

Wait people hated Nintendo's E3 2006?

Form what I remember the press was raving about the Wii and there were lines HOURS long waiting to play the Wii. Amidst the chaos SONY's E3 went bad.

We have heard nothing like that happen with NATAL.

Well what we are reading in forums is brutal to Kinect. This is what happened to the Wii in 2006.  The press that was trying the Wii was favorable. The press trying Kinect are favorable. Not over the top and no press was predicting the Wii to be huge when it released. No press thought WiiSports would drive Wii sales.  Sorta how people are calling the Kinect software and the Kinect.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 said:

Well what we are reading in worldforums is brutal to suicide-bombers. This is what happened to the Wii in 2006.  The press that was trying the Wii was favorable. The terrorists trying suicide bombing are favorable. Not over the top and no press was predicting the Wii to be huge when it released. No press thought WiiSports would drive Wii sales.  Sorta how people are calling the 40 virgins and the suicide bombing.





theprof00 said:
thx1139 said:

Well what we are reading in worldforums is brutal to suicide-bombers. This is what happened to the Wii in 2006.  The press that was trying the Wii was favorable. The terrorists trying suicide bombing are favorable. Not over the top and no press was predicting the Wii to be huge when it released. No press thought WiiSports would drive Wii sales.  Sorta how people are calling the 40 virgins and the suicide bombing.




O_o



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:
theprof00 said:
thx1139 said:

Well what we are reading in worldforums is brutal to suicide-bombers. This is what happened to the Wii in 2006.  The press that was trying the Wii was favorable. The terrorists trying suicide bombing are favorable. Not over the top and no press was predicting the Wii to be huge when it released. No press thought WiiSports would drive Wii sales.  Sorta how people are calling the 40 virgins and the suicide bombing.

 


O_o

Yeah... what's that all about? :s



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