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dtewi said:

The 3DS will be cheaper than Kinect though and that's the funny part.

3DS is going to cost less than $150?



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leo-j said:
disolitude said:

PS3 doesn't have native support for 3D. Developers have to put exact same effort in to making a Ps3 3D game as they do a 360 3D game.

The only difference is that Ps3 tells the TV which 3D format the game is using since its using the the new "frame packing" 3D signal, while users have to set the proper 3D format on the 360, which reflects their 3DTV.


the ps3 does have native support for 3d.. and is the only current gen console that has that.. according to kaz harai

Well he is a dirty liar, or he has a very loose definition for "native support".

PS3 does not provide a native blanket driver which makes games 3D. It is up to the developers to code the game in 3D, as PS3 does not provide a driver like Nvidia does for the PC which turns a game automatically in to 3D.

The only thing PS3 does is use software to emulate HDMI 1.4 plug since it doesnt' have it. Everything else is same as with 360 when it comes to 3D.

Now in the future it may have a driver which helps make games 3D, but so far it does not have native 3D support.



jneul said:

don't forget ms also said hdmi and hd-based disk format was not needed and look what happened there ms tried hd-dvd and they have adopted hdmi, if 3d is successful ms will eat their own words and will have to adapt it to keep up.

The 360 is almost 5 years old. If 3D is successful, it won't be before the next generation of consoles, so they're not exactly in a problematic situation.

If they release their next console without 3D capability and you foresee it being important, then it'd be like the situation you compared it to.



joeorc said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
irstupid said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Nintendo gave us a more concrete 3D product with the 3DS. Sony's can be enjoyed whether in 3D or not. Microsoft doesn't create technology to be revered in gaming, so really their opinion means nothing in the matter. When they start making technology then I might be able to take them seriously. Microsoft is a software company. They need to focus on acquiring top notch developers before their investors pull out like they are planning on doing already.


the thing is I take Microsot more serious than Sony regarding 3D, due to microsoft not having a product for 3D.

Sony is using its fanboys to try and push 3D on all of us, just like they did with blu ray.  I hate being used by a company.  They are pushing these 3D games becuase they want us to buy their 3D tvs, and then their 3D blu ray movies and so on.  And that list there is one thing that is common, involves buying and buying new stuff. 


You have a point and Sony did use the gamers to save their format, but 3D is inevitable and Nintendo showed us with their handheld that it can be taken seriously.


That is a Myth because even before HD DVD was released The Blu-Ray technology was already in consumer's hands 3 year's that's three year's prior to even the first HD DVD box hitting the consumer market. when all but One Consumer Electronic manuf. companies from the get go supported Blu-Ray over HD DVD's 2..that was Toshiba and Microsoft..it was not going to loose.

it would have been drawn out yes but there was no way HD DVD was going to win..as for the rumor that Warner BROS was paid off that also is just a myth because the WB was on the board of director's of Blu-Ray since the Blu-Ray founder's was started.

The Blu-ray Disc Founders (BDF) group was a collection of technology firms working together to develop and support the The Blu-ray Disc Founders was launched on May 20, 2002. As Blu-ray support grew progressively; announcements in 2004 added HP and dell which declared backing for the standard on January 12, 2004, and TDK on March 19, 2004. It announced that Blu-ray Disc Founders will shift to (BDA) in October on May 18, 2004. It shifted to Blu-ray Disc Association on October 4, 2004.

Sony was just one company in the lot of many that support Blu-Ray because the technology was already been on the consumer market since 2003.

that's the real reason why the technology already worked is one of the reason's Sony used it.

Blu-Ray was not just a sony format

Dude....Blu Ray had lower sales than HDDVD. It was after the PS3 launched and Sony made the rental exclusivity deal with Blockuster for Blu Ray as an alt HD format that BD made HDDVD a non-factor. It was never any other way until those things happened. Whether u like it or not the people were used. Sony knows their loyal market well.



disolitude said:
leo-j said:
disolitude said:

PS3 doesn't have native support for 3D. Developers have to put exact same effort in to making a Ps3 3D game as they do a 360 3D game.

The only difference is that Ps3 tells the TV which 3D format the game is using since its using the the new "frame packing" 3D signal, while users have to set the proper 3D format on the 360, which reflects their 3DTV.


the ps3 does have native support for 3d.. and is the only current gen console that has that.. according to kaz harai

Well he is a dirty liar, or he has a very loose definition for "native support".

PS3 does not provide a native blanket driver which makes games 3D. It is up to the developers to code the game in 3D, as PS3 does not provide a driver like Nvidia does for the PC which turns a game automatically in to 3D.

The only thing PS3 does is use software to emulate HDMI 1.4 plug since it doesnt' have it. Everything else is same as with 360 when it comes to 3D.

Now in the future it may have a driver which helps make games 3D, but so far it does not have native 3D support.

Crysis 2 releasing on 360 in full 3d and 720p says hello. Thats November this year.



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dtewi said:

The 3DS will be cheaper than Kinect though and that's the funny part.


it will be hard to say that



selnor said:
disolitude said:
leo-j said:
disolitude said:

PS3 doesn't have native support for 3D. Developers have to put exact same effort in to making a Ps3 3D game as they do a 360 3D game.

The only difference is that Ps3 tells the TV which 3D format the game is using since its using the the new "frame packing" 3D signal, while users have to set the proper 3D format on the 360, which reflects their 3DTV.


the ps3 does have native support for 3d.. and is the only current gen console that has that.. according to kaz harai

Well he is a dirty liar, or he has a very loose definition for "native support".

PS3 does not provide a native blanket driver which makes games 3D. It is up to the developers to code the game in 3D, as PS3 does not provide a driver like Nvidia does for the PC which turns a game automatically in to 3D.

The only thing PS3 does is use software to emulate HDMI 1.4 plug since it doesnt' have it. Everything else is same as with 360 when it comes to 3D.

Now in the future it may have a driver which helps make games 3D, but so far it does not have native 3D support.

Crysis 2 releasing on 360 in full 3d and 720p says hello. Thats November this year.


Again, thats not "native support". Neither 360 nor PS3 has a 3D driver. Developers have to figure out how to make a game work in 3D on both consoles.

Invincible tiger, Avatar and 3D infinity(xbl indy game) have already done 3D very well on the 360...



kowenicki is right.  This has nothing to do with 3DS.  He's clearly talking about the expense of the TVs and the adoption rate.  It makes little sense to go full-board into that realm when such a small percentage of the populace will have 3D televisions for the near future, and an even smaller percentage of them will be gaming on them.

3DS has nothing to do with the high cost of TV's in your living room, just as going to a 3D movie has no bearing on this.  

3D tvs really need to be 52" and higher to work appropriately at this point, and you're generally paying at LEAST $1000 more for the 3D.  A 3DS will be, what?  $30 more than regular DS maybe?  It's not the same thing at all.

The worst part of E3 week is the blind fanboyism.  It makes me want to gouge out my eyeballs.  

He's not shilling for MS.  He's READING.  And THINKING.  That's a GOOD thing.



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

fastyxx said:

kowenicki is right.  This has nothing to do with 3DS.  He's clearly talking about the expense of the TVs and the adoption rate.  It makes little sense to go full-board into that realm when such a small percentage of the populace will have 3D televisions for the near future, and an even smaller percentage of them will be gaming on them.

3DS has nothing to do with the high cost of TV's in your living room, just as going to a 3D movie has no bearing on this.  

3D tvs really need to be 52" and higher to work appropriately at this point, and you're generally paying at LEAST $1000 more for the 3D.  A 3DS will be, what?  $30 more than regular DS maybe?  It's not the same thing at all.

The worst part of E3 week is the blind fanboyism.  It makes me want to gouge out my eyeballs.  

He's not shilling for MS.  He's READING.  And THINKING.  That's a GOOD thing.


Wrong, he also aimed the 3DS  

joeorc said:
kowenicki said:

some people are really missing what he is saying here....

no:

this was not just aimed at Sony:

"Thompson instead backed the experience of Kinect, the company's hands-free motion-control tech, over the 3D experiences offered by rivals."

he's talking about both Sony and Nintendo..





StokedUp said:

Thats one ignorant comment from the microsoft dude. 3D is obviously the future of technology, the way we've viewed videos, video games, and whatever else is on the TV is always evolving and getting better. First we had black and white tvs, Then we had colour TVs, then we had TVs that could display even more colours for a better picture, then we had digital broadcasts instead of analogue, then we had HD Picture quality TVs and now were moving into 3D. The movies at the cinemas are all into 3D now, SKY TV (the main "cable tv" in the UK) is launching its 3d range of channels. Infact its already launched it sports 3d channel and has pubs all around th UK screening 3D sports and people rate it.

Ill admit i think it'll take a little bit longer to get going as weve only just really moved into FULL HD but 3D will be something that all TVs will come with in the future and nearly all if not all video games will come with the feature aswell.

Mate, you just basically said what that 'ignorant microsoft dude' said. 3D is a good technology, but it's not currently economic to include it with game consoles.