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selnor on 14 June 2010

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.



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selnor on 14 June 2010
iWarMachine said:
RAZurrection said:

The second half of the “Forza Motorsport Preview” presentation took the audience on a virtual tour of the new Ferrari 458 Italia within the expansive backdrop of the Bonneville Salt Flats in northwestern Utah. Rendered completely in real-time on the Xbox 360, the Kinect car experience allows the player to interact with the car – controller free – as if they were standing next to the vehicle in the game. With the Kinect camera tracking both full-body movement and proximity, players can literally walk up to the 458 Italia, lean into the windows for a closer look, lift the glass canopy to examine the car’s powerful V8 engine, or open the door to slide into the cockpit all with the most natural of gestures. 

“Forza Motorsport Preview” is a select peek at one aspect of the future of the Forza Motorsport franchise, both in terms of the way Kinect has empowered Turn 10 to create a revolutionary way to interact with virtual cars, as well as the breathtaking foundation of a new graphics engine capable of producing the images seen in our E3 gallery. The next full Forza Motorsport experience, which utilizes some of the ideas presented in this demo, will ship in 2011.

From where the buck stops. New engine (again) for Forza Motorsports 4 in 2011


do you really think the game will look like that in-game?

It's still realtime. And the best realtime engine for a car game ever seen. Phenominal.

Forza 4 is gonna own Forza 3. 

Look at those graphics. I love that it's not CGI.



maximus22 on 14 June 2010
selnor said:

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.

Oh good call.  I wish all of my games were pre-programmed that way I wouldn't make a mistake. 

Never once did I try to instill doubt.  I just posted what I saw and can prove.  And if it worked so amazingly well they wouldn't need to fake or "program" the demo.  Which they did. 

Give me a break dude.

BTW the cursor didn't come up when inside the car, it came up right before the guy moved his hand. 

 



RAZurrection on 14 June 2010
iWarMachine said:


do you really think the game will look like that in-game?

Since they basically confirmed they're adding this "showroom" as a feature to the series I have little doubt these screens are representitive of the game in that mode in all but jaggies, this wouldn't be the first game to do so and it won't be the last.



theprof00 on 14 June 2010
maximus22 said:
selnor said:

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.

Oh good call.  I wish all of my games were pre-programmed that way I wouldn't make a mistake. 

Never once did I try to instill doubt.  I just posted what I saw and can prove.  And if it worked so amazingly well they wouldn't need to fake or "program" the demo.  Which they did. 

Give me a break dude.

BTW the cursor didn't come up when inside the car, it came up right before the guy moved his hand. 

 

Well, the only reason people like selnor keep saying that it's working amazingly well is because it was scripted.

Doesn't this seem misleading at all? How much will that performance change between what was shown and what is released?



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Barozi on 14 June 2010

I doubt it's Forza 4.

More like a Forza 3 update/DLC or expansion pack. Or simply Forza Kinect.



maximus22 on 14 June 2010
theprof00 said:
maximus22 said:
selnor said:

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.

Oh good call.  I wish all of my games were pre-programmed that way I wouldn't make a mistake. 

Never once did I try to instill doubt.  I just posted what I saw and can prove.  And if it worked so amazingly well they wouldn't need to fake or "program" the demo.  Which they did. 

Give me a break dude.

BTW the cursor didn't come up when inside the car, it came up right before the guy moved his hand. 

 

Well, the only reason people like selnor keep saying that it's working amazingly well is because it was scripted.

Doesn't this seem misleading at all? How much will that performance change between what was shown and what is released?

Thank you.  I didn't think I had gone completely insane just yet. 



selnor on 14 June 2010
maximus22 said:
selnor said:

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.

Oh good call.  I wish all of my games were pre-programmed that way I wouldn't make a mistake. 

Never once did I try to instill doubt.  I just posted what I saw and can prove.  And if it worked so amazingly well they wouldn't need to fake or "program" the demo.  Which they did. 

Give me a break dude.

BTW the cursor didn't come up when inside the car, it came up right before the guy moved his hand. 

 

The same sort of thing as a menu. A menu appears onscreen. Sometimes a cursor will appear 4 -5 secs later. Thats with a controller. 

Everything was live. It's funny though the amount of attempts to destroy Kinect. It was awesome. B etter than we thought last E3.



theprof00 on 14 June 2010
maximus22 said:
theprof00 said:
maximus22 said:
selnor said:

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.

Oh good call.  I wish all of my games were pre-programmed that way I wouldn't make a mistake. 

Never once did I try to instill doubt.  I just posted what I saw and can prove.  And if it worked so amazingly well they wouldn't need to fake or "program" the demo.  Which they did. 

Give me a break dude.

BTW the cursor didn't come up when inside the car, it came up right before the guy moved his hand. 

 

Well, the only reason people like selnor keep saying that it's working amazingly well is because it was scripted.

Doesn't this seem misleading at all? How much will that performance change between what was shown and what is released?

Thank you.  I didn't think I had gone completely insane just yet. 

It's just, where's the line? If you're going to hide stuff from the audience... how far are you willing to go? Show fake graphics? Show fake titles? Honestly, looking at the featured kinect stuff, how many of those games are going to be in the actual game? You woo a crowd with ping pong and then the game turns out to not have ping pong. That can be justified. "It was something we were working on during kinect development, we decided not to go with it and instead included some other things that needed the space". Meanwhile, people are going to argue about these things that may or may not even be real. "We wanted to avoid bloopers and save time".

That's kind of messed up that we allow things like that to happen.



maximus22 on 14 June 2010
selnor said:
maximus22 said:
selnor said:

Did the op ever consider that Turn 10 programmed the game to instantly bring the cursor up when inside the car? 

It was all real onstage mate. So many people trying to put doubt on Kinect. Thats because its worked amazingly.

Oh good call.  I wish all of my games were pre-programmed that way I wouldn't make a mistake. 

Never once did I try to instill doubt.  I just posted what I saw and can prove.  And if it worked so amazingly well they wouldn't need to fake or "program" the demo.  Which they did. 

Give me a break dude.

BTW the cursor didn't come up when inside the car, it came up right before the guy moved his hand. 

 

The same sort of thing as a menu. A menu appears onscreen. Sometimes a cursor will appear 4 -5 secs later. Thats with a controller. 

Everything was live. It's funny though the amount of attempts to destroy Kinect. It was awesome. B etter than we thought last E3.

Lol.  Okay man.  Do you work for Microsoft or something?