I like how people arn't counting Wii Sports now... when it's actually most relvent. Sure every system comes with Wii sports but people are still buying party games in addition to that. What's that tell you?

People like Party Games.

Is that actually a problem? I like party games. I'll probably get Carnival games at some point. I mean my friends and I used to play the minigames on Pokemon stadium all day.... and we were like 19 at the time. I have friends who play Mario Party to this day... the gamecube ones. They say 8 sucks...

My one friend almost got into a fist fight over Mario Party 7 when a Boo stole his star at the last minute to let someone else win. They had to institute a "No Boo's rule."

Casual my ass, if you are about to throw down because of game, it's no casual game.

That's right I said that. And I meant it too.

But you missed the reasoning behind it. I have NO problem with Mario Party 8 & Mario Party DS or any of the other spinoffs franchises from the Mario series selling well. I LOVE that they sell well. It has nothing to do with this "Casual" "Hardcore" nonsense.

I was shocked because the main central part of the franchise from which all of those games came looked lackluster in comparison seeing how well THEY did. It was emotional overreaction on my part because if they liked all the other games why not at least some love for the central unifying line of this franchise especially such a well done one like Super Mario Galaxy. Which has multiplayer capabilities and all.

It would have done me just fine if SMG pulled a weekly performance like Mario Party 8 & Mario Party DS. But under it?

However, something dawned on me not too long later after I made this comment.

Wii Fit was stealing all of the buzz. It looked like SMG got cannibalized by Wii Fit & then suddenly it all made sense. DS is cheaper and portable so Mario Party DS sold big but people were saving up for Wiis & Wii Fit & Nintendo was preparing supply for the region the past few months. This explains the sudden ebbing in Japan that we couldn't get our minds around. They were just saving up for Wii Fit at the exclusion of most everything else. The Japanese aren't all rich and they have to pay bills like everyone else. I believe many of them were making sure to get this new Wii Fit before anything else and THEN they'll pick up the other titles along the way. So they just froze the wallets for awhile which unfortunately got SMG among others caught up in the mix.

I wrote this idea here in the forum a few times after I made this comment you bolded.

I realized that I overreacted without looking at the larger picture first. I try my best not to get caught up in that but I'm not perfect. It happens. I'm not proud of jumping the gun like that being such a plan-minded individual. I always use foresight & forethought to a maddening degree.

I had no doubt Wii Fit would have the "line around the block" presence I was expecting for SMG. The fact that some have commented on buyers picking up SMG along with the whole Wii/Wii Fit package lets me know that it was Wii Fit which caused the uncanny valley on the sales charts throwing off many of our expectations.

SMG will be fine in Japan & I shouldn't have worried so much. I got too caught up in the excitement & missed the big picture. But that reaction was a reflection not of bitterness that Mario Parties sell well but more that the tree trunk of all the branches didn't match. It was more like what are the spinoffs without the original show?

John Lucas 

Why is every one so caught up in Japan sales?

The fact of the matter is, North America, (Particularly the United States) is the most important market in the video game industry. We buy more systems, we buy more games, we have a far greater perchant for potential growth. So what game developer is going to look at the Japan sales of SMG and say, "Only casual titles sell on the Wii, lets stop making games for everyone else because the only country that has money wants party games.'

This idea is pretarded, SMG has already sold over 1 million in NA alone. That is going to tell devs that they can make money on a so called "hardcore" title just as easily as a casual one.

omg :O that we didn't see that, i believe in you.

tarheel91 said: naznatips said: Dodece said: @fkusumot You do from time to time bother reading oh I do not know the sales charts for the Wii. Notice anything striking about the top five games. No wait I don't want to ruin the surprise for you. Seriously this isn't the blue ocean its the wading pool. What your telling me that mini games are not the best selling genre on the console. What are your going to say they do not hold the top positions. 1. Wii Sports 12.45m 2. Wii Play 6.99m 3. Zelda Twilight Princess 3.88m 4. Mario Party 8 2.78m 5. Wario Ware Smooth Moves 2.00m Seriously the console already has somewhat of a reputation. The fact that its living up to that reputation isn't going to help when it comes to getting complex, or more mature titles. Honestly I can only play so many compilations before I want a real game. I suppose if you get off on the though of an endless stream of compilations it sounds fantastic to you, but for me I want something challenging not mind numbing. Basically its true and you know it. Crying about it doesn't change a thing. I like how you only count Wii Sports when it helps you prove your point.  I also like how you showed the top 5 instead of the top 10, which shows very diverse software sales Wii Sports Nintendo 2.23 6.70 3.52 12.45 Wii Play Nintendo 1.79 3.04 2.16 6.99 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Nintendo 0.56 2.08 1.24 3.88 Mario Party 8 Nintendo 0.91 1.46 0.41 2.78 Wario Ware: Smooth Moves Nintendo 0.54 0.76 0.70 2.00 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo 0.38 1.11 0.39 1.88 Super Paper Mario Nintendo 0.52 0.84 0.34 1.70 Rayman Raving Rabbids Ubisoft 0.02 0.64 0.48 1.14 Red Steel Ubisoft 0.04 0.45 0.54 1.03 Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition Capcom 0.14 0.55 0.33 1.02 Mario Strikers Charged Nintendo 0.10 0.41 0.49 1.00 Let's see, that's:  5 party games, 1 FPS, 1 survival horror, 1 Platformer/RPG, 1 Platformer, 1 Action-Adventure, and 1 sports game.  Damn, if only Wii owners bought more than party games.   No, no, no.  1 pack-in demo that's arguably more sports than party, 1 party game that comes with a Wiimote, 3 party games, and then the rest of that list.  The two top selling "party games" are having a lot of success thanks to their super low price points.  I really don't see what's bad with having party games in your top 10.  Party games are fun.  They have PARTY in their name.  Plus, they should still be fun and several (like RRB and WW) have better style and humor than a lot of nonparty games.  They appeal to both hardcore and casual so it makes sense that they should sell well.  However, simply because they're high up doesn't mean that's all there will eventually be.  People need variety.  Even if one of the three major fastfood burger places (McD's, Wendy's, and BK) were to take a commanding lead, neither of the other two would disappear because people don't want the same thing every time they need a fast burger.  The same applies to games.

That pack-in game sold 2.23 million units in a country where it's not a pack-in.  Arguing Wii Sports isn't a success is stupid.  It absolutely counts in successful Wii games.  Wii Sports could be counted as a Sports game I suppose, but you have to count it.

Second, you have to count Wii Play.  People paid $10 for that game, and whether you like it or not they bought it. 

Third, you missed the sarcasm in my post.  My point is that in the top 11 million sellers on the Wii there are 7 different genres.  Obviously there is a lot of diversity in successful Wii games.  

Also, I'm starting to agree with Montana that Wii fans and PS3 fans are a lot alike.  You only count Wii Sports and Wii Play when it helps you win an argument, just like Dodece is doing.  Show consistency in your posts or you lose your credibility.  

 You lost all credibility right there....

Seriously, there is no perhaps, it is easily the best platformer of the year and there is a damn good argument for best ever.  I won't say its a clear favorite for best ever since its a pretty opinion based thing, but it is clearly the best platformer this year, hands down, barring none, and without a single doubt. 

Wii Fit is only the beginning, I fully expect to see a full line of Wii fit titles, like Wii fit Kickboxing or karata or something, where you use the Wiimot and the Balance board to go through dozens of exercises, kind of like those workout videos, sell the games at 25-30 dollars a piece and Nintendo will have a virtual goldmine

^i think alot of games will use the wii board but i dont think they will have the name fit in them

@sqrl
you are right SMG is the best platfomer this year and arguably the best of all-time

 I don't know, I think Wii fit could become a franchise for Nintendo, like a line of games that use the balance board for various exercises, like a Yoga game, a boxing game, etc. etc., pairing the balance board and Wiimote for full body workouts