It is connotation, but only because you (you being everyone that calls them RPGs) say so. If you didn't say so, then they wouldn't have been called RPGs in the first place. That's my entire point. Connotations are "made-up" definitions that are designed to clarify or to better define what one means, not to change the definition entirely.

The battle system of the Elder Scrolls series is this: Left-click to swing weapon/shoot arrow, Right-click to block, and press R to use magic. It's obviously got it's nuances, but that's the basic idea of things.

It must be noted that the battle system for the Elder Scrolls series has evolved over the years. In TES 1-3, whether or not you hit was determined by the roll of virtual dice, which is itself dependent on your skill level with that class of weapon. In TES4, you automatically hit whatever you swing/shoot/cast at as long as you hit it, and the amount of damage you do is determined by your level with that class of weapon/magic.

I don't get what the hell you're trying to say!

People don't go by definitions, but connotations.

Therefore, YOU saying FF isn't an RPG isn't correct in the colloquial sense.

I'm saying that the only reason JRPGs are considered RPGs is because they've always been classified (incorrectly) as such. If they had been known as Japanese Adventure Games, then we would barely even see the RPG elements, as they would be known as adventure games. 

I'm not saying that FF isn't considered an RPG, I'm saying that it isn't an RPG. These are two HUGELY different things.

Twesterm you have taken casual drive-by.... topics... of this kind to a new level. Bravo.

When was the last time you played a JRPG that wasn't called Final Fantasy?

Go pick up Lost Odyssey. You'll liek it if only for the leveling system, where you're brought up to an enemy-appropriate level quickly and then basically stay there, making grinding unnecessary, unsatisfying, and difficult. Also you can listen to it in five different languages.

You are my forum hero :)

ANyways the Japense Cinematic Experience games are never going to die out. Nor should they. They are great alternatives to reading a book or watching a movie. Reading is just too hard these days. and Movies require you to go out. At least for the greater experience. Plus

Well I've had my 2 cents. I'm going to go back to playing my PnP RPG's :)

I'd like to clarify that the best JRPG this gen has been Mario & Luigi 3. :D No exceptions.

That's what makes Japanese games so much better than the Western games. :D

exctly, nd i hvnt been attached to chrctrs in western games like i attached to lightning or sazh. mayb nathan drake, tht is all

I agree with the OP!

Pretty much.