I don't know. I think it's a bit funny actually. The companies complaining the most are the companies putting the least effort into their games.

They fail! *SHOCKED*

E3 is always a tense time for console-defenders of all stripes. I always feel like a tiger with its claws out going in to E3 time, ready to go to the mat. Like my old avatar, really.

I'm in the process of creating ONE thread that would serve as a very large archive of Wii hate over the years. I would post what I have now, but it would fill up a full two pages of this thread.

Now to stay on-topic: 3rd parties are claiming that such and such games doesn't sell on the console even though they have never made any.Wii Games they laughably claim stand up to high-budget efforts on other consoles most often fail, because their appeal and quality is so narrow. Most of these "hardlycore" games utilize very little of what the Wii has to offer, and the values of the Wii (clean interface, accessible gameplay explanations, games with 15 hours of content, and most of all, MOTION CONTROL) are often ignored, sometimes completely.

C'mon, games about bugs, colorless games, on rail shooters with more cutscenes than gameplay, and spin-offs that are less than 10 hours? Who would willingly pay full price for these shams after word gets out about how poor they are? Notice that the Wii games which are actually good, may not be selling 15k every week, but some are rebounding recently, and others had low debuts, but maintain sales for months on end.

I dare anyone, ANYONE to put a Wii game that "flopped" in front of me and prove it wasn't destined to fail.

Next, the Anals. These analysts predicted the Wii bubble would burst, it would become dated, it isn' futureproof, sales will stagnate...etc. All this is done in an effort for 3rd parties to continue praising HD development and infusing within their minds that the Wii doesn't exist. That way, they can conveniently ignore 71 million people they say "fuck you" to every day. These analysts coined the term casual/hardcore. Casual in itself has a negative conotation and it is borderline racism within the gaming community; think about it. The "casuals" are denied tons of things, and treated like second-class. Separate websites are designated for them, gamers themselves who may even have the slightest chance of being seen as a casual are clowned upon. Think about it. Seriously, think about it long and hard.

Then you have King Dingaling Mike Pachter running his mouth off at least twice a week with Wii doom and gloom stories and Successor Rumor-mongering. I have never seen someone try this hard to condemn someone since Tom Sneddon set his sights on Michael Jackson years ago. In the eyes of the industry, Nintendo is never good enough. They can never win in the eyes of any media "professional". The word "professional" itself in this industry is a hilarious joke. There is no professionalism to be found with man children and clueless booth babes more idiotic than the Youtube Annoying Orange (Morgan Webb, kiss my ass).

*sigh* I knew this was gonna happen, but screw it. Looking back at when I join VGChartz, I have become disgruntled. The industry I loved to know more about is revealed to be a bunch of assholes. Knowledge does bring you sorrow sometimes.

Nintendo has rocky relationships with 3rd parties because Nintendo activley competes and outsells 3rd paties on its system while Sony and Microsoft compete but dont try to outsell the 3rd parties

I would consider that a deficiency on the part of Microsoft and Sony.  Sony is getting better with their first party games, but MS is definitely weak in that regard.

And I seriously doubt Nintendo's aim is to outsell 3rd parties.  That's just the way it happens.

Nintendo is the best first party developer in terms of quality games, and the industry knows it. That's why they are on full damage control mode right now, because it's right before E3, when Nintendo could blow everybody away with Zelda, 3DS, and Vitality Sensor.

The more hate Nintendo gets, the better they are doing. That's my perspective at least.

The fact is, at least while Sony and MS are in the industry, there is NOTHING Nintendo could ever do to gain significant 3rd party support. They have made their console the cheapest, easiest to develop for, have worked with them, let them make essentially any game they want, and have established a market leading 71 million userbase, and still the 3rd parties shun or ignore them. They are forever doomed to half assed or no 3rd party support, that is unless Nintendo games greatly drop in quality or lessen drastically in sales and support. It's a paradox really, in that the better Nintendo is, the more alone they are, and will continue to be.

This is because unlike with MS, and Sony to a lesser extent, these 3rd parties are in direct competition with Nintendo, and lets face it, most of their games don't hold a candle to Nintendo's games. And rather than going through the hassle of actually examining the userbase, and creating a better game with more effort and more appeal, it's easier to just run to the HD consoles, where Nintendo is not competing with them.

Whether or not they want to admit it, most of these 3rd parties would love nothing more than the Wii to fail, and the PS3 and 360 to dominate the charts. This way, their biggest threat, Nintendo, will be marginilzed like during the N64/GC days and they can shine on the consoles with weaker 1st party libraries. Unfourtunately for them, the customer has seen otherwise, and the customer is always right.

And don't fall for the "it's hard to develop separately for the Wii because it's not HD, THAT's why it gets little support!" argument. It is merely an excuse. Remember that Gamecube and N64 both had comparable hardware to their competitors, yet still they got shunned. Because even with powerful hardware, the consoles still present one problem for the 3rd parties, and that problem is Nintendo.

... this. wow. great read.

It was clear since 2008, considering every console was getting many more games than the Wii and the constant negative comments from the third parties. We've seen this coming from a mile. It's just now that it hurts the most because when Nintendo will be having its best year, third parties decided simultaneously that Wii was not worth it anymor  but were afraid to say it so during previous years in case any of their cheap and terrible games became a hit. Even with Nintendo's willingness to work with them, they still want Nintendo to disappear and let them work in peace. It's as if they are in an obligation to support Nintendo's consoles and then aim to fail to prove investors wrong and say that Nintendo machines defy logic and that a huge userbase means shit and that its only Nintendo games that sell.

Bring your next home console already Nintendo and lets see if third parties go by their word. Nintendo is doomed this gen to receive 3rd party games, not gonna happen. Or keep on releasing 1st party games, buy tons of teams and try to get the third parties bankrupt, should be funny to see.

The 3rd party companies all have massive debt and losses.

Nintendo is still making a 1 billion dollar profit.

Hmm... who's going to fall first, the 3rd parties or Nintendo?