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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Morgan Webb rants about Super Mario Galaxy 2, hilariously bad reasons

Hynad on 05 June 2010
IxisNaugus said:

I'm honestly going to go out for some air in a minuet. Apologies for the emotional outburst brought on by rage, i may have come off as aggressive but i wasn't actually trying to insult either of them, rather i would like them to answer those questions seriously. The basis on which i wrote the post was uncalled for though which i recognize, so again, apologies to the community for my behavior. 


Don't worry too much about it.  You expressed a feeling shared by many here.

Thank you for that.

 

Metallicube said:

Also, I gotta laugh at the people just coming in here saying "well that's her opinion! Respect it!"First of all, no crap it's her opinion Einstein. Are you also going to come in here and tell us the sky is blue?

Second of all, we don't HAVE to respect her opinion. It may just be our opinion that her opinion sucks.

Nobody is coming here saying "she can't say that!" or "she should be fired!" we are simply disagreeing with her opinion, and pointing out the flaws with it.

Even though you explain the matter in a crystal clear manner, I do wonder if they'll understand anything from it.  Many have explained the exact same thing, with different wording, and they still came back at people trying to make Webb as a victim or something. ¬_¬



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Tuganuno on 05 June 2010

The video isn't available =s



LordTheNightKnight on 05 June 2010

People are entitled to their own opinions, not to their own facts.

SMG2 is 3D. Saying it's not enough it false. Thus Morgan is not entitled to that, as it's stupid.

SMG2 is no more cartoony than any game in the series, unless all the trailers and video I watched are total lies (don't have the first game yet, so I'm getting that before this one). Assuming they are true, then Morgan is not entitled to that, as it's stupid.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

IxisNaugus on 05 June 2010
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
IxisNaugus said:

Oh my fucking god.

MARCUSDJACKSON and Rpruett. What is the matter with both of you? Do you purposely choose to ignore peoples posts or are you literally incapable of understanding what has been told again and again. It has seriously been some time since i have witnessed such an extreme case of ignorance on VGChartz. Have either of you actually gone back and read people's posts, then read your own? Do you even know what you're saying?



look. im not debatting this. so what she makes no sence. if it in 3D already you can say shes out of her mind. but her right ti an opinion right or senceless as it maybe is hers.

the name calling was not needed and no i don't read every post. in fact why am i still in this thread. i've settled my last debate.

im shock the you would stup that low as to call someone a name

Surely you must understand by now everyone's - including my own - frustration with yourself and Rpruett. If you do not then please read Dtewi's latest response to you, and try reading everybody's posts after that thoroughly as well, you may benefit from that.

If you read my post again you'll notice that I did not call youurself nor Rpruett any names so please don't accuse me of such. The worst i did was imply that you are simply behaving in a very childlike and ignorant manner. I am aware though that my words have caused an upset within this thread to yourself and others, so i extend my apologies for that.

If i may though, i ask that you answer the questions of my post, because i am really struggling to understand why you continue to combat the individual posters of this thread by merely reiterating the same point again and again, the point that has already been addressed. 

EDIT: And with that, i'm off for a relaxing stroll in the park.



How technical is your game?

Tuganuno on 05 June 2010

Couldn't find the real video, but according to what people are saying about what she wanted on SMG2, this guy nailed it :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w8UAQ3Uey4



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SaviorX on 05 June 2010

There is a reason we have an "ignore user" script on this site.



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Vertigo-X on 05 June 2010
Rpruett said:

Final Fantasy (13 yDo I expect Nintendo to change their style?  No.  Do I expect them to make Mario adult? Gory?  No.   Do I expect them to do something  that makes me say 'Wow!  I really need to get that Mario....it looks like they've done a lot to it!'.  Yes I do.  Mario for SNES did that.  Mario for N64 did that.   No Mario since has done that.   Gravity doesn't impress me.  Every game incorporates some form of gravity nowadays.    Do these great 'gameplay' innovations include keeping the same jumping mechanics fourteen years later?   Or adding a bumble bee costume instead of Flower power?    Come on now.

 

Nintendo has the nostalgia angle that Morgan Webb mentioned.  I bought Super Mario Galaxy 1 based off of hype, ratings, reviews and nostalgia. "Well it is a Mario game..".  After I completed Mario Galaxy, I said "I won't be fooled again Nintendo".   Same thing after Super Smash Brothers on Wii.  They need some fresh ideas not re-hashed ideas from 1996. 

Super Mario - 25 years ago

Super Mario - Present

 

Oh, hey, look! I can do that too!

 

...

 

You know that's not much of an argument...



The BuShA owns all!

Rpruett on 05 June 2010
Vertigo-X said:
Rpruett said:
 

Final Fantasy (13 yDo I expect Nintendo to change their style?  No.  Do I expect them to make Mario adult? Gory?  No.   Do I expect them to do something  that makes me say 'Wow!  I really need to get that Mario....it looks like they've done a lot to it!'.  Yes I do.  Mario for SNES did that.  Mario for N64 did that.   No Mario since has done that.   Gravity doesn't impress me.  Every game incorporates some form of gravity nowadays.    Do these great 'gameplay' innovations include keeping the same jumping mechanics fourteen years later?   Or adding a bumble bee costume instead of Flower power?    Come on now.

 

Nintendo has the nostalgia angle that Morgan Webb mentioned.  I bought Super Mario Galaxy 1 based off of hype, ratings, reviews and nostalgia. "Well it is a Mario game..".  After I completed Mario Galaxy, I said "I won't be fooled again Nintendo".   Same thing after Super Smash Brothers on Wii.  They need some fresh ideas not re-hashed ideas from 1996. 

Super Mario - 25 years ago

Super Mario - Present

 

Oh, hey, look! I can do that too!

 

...

 

You know that's not much of an argument...

Sure it is. 

Mario has progressed in 25 years.  What I have mentioned is the stagnation of the series since the original 3D Mario hit the scene.   I showed several other series which have in most cases really changed a lot in 13-14 years.  



dtewi on 05 June 2010
Rpruett said:

Sure it is. 

Mario has progressed in 25 years.  What I have mentioned is the stagnation of the series since the original 3D Mario hit the scene.   I showed several other series which have in most cases really changed a lot in 13-14 years.  


How has Mario not changed as much as Gran Turismo?



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Rpruett on 05 June 2010
dtewi said:

MARCUSDJACKSON said:

look. im not debatting this. so what she makes no sence. if it in 3D already you can say shes out of her mind. but her right ti an opinion right or senceless as it maybe is hers


You're missing the point.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but the basis on which said opinion is set can be incorrect and false.

Do you understand?

THAT ON WHICH AN OPINION IS SET IS ALLOWED TO BE ARGUED AND IN TURN MAKES THE VALIDITY OF THE OPINION COME INTO QUESTION.

Again:

MORGAN WEBB DOES NOT LIKE SUPER MARIO GALAXY 2. SHE SETS THIS OPINION ON THE IDEA THAT THE GAME IS NOT 3D ENOUGH AND IT IS TOO CARTOONY. THESE REASONS ARE NOT VALID AND WE CAN QUESTION HER OPINION.

Again:

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO AN OPINION, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE CHALLENGE IF THEY ARE UNREASONABLE AND HAVE NO SOLID REASONS TO BACK THEM UP.

Again;

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN OPINION DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE QUESTIONED.

Do you understand now?


The word 'Cartoony' can be a very subjective word.  It can be very open-ended.  Her definition of Cartoony and your definition of Cartoony may very well differ.  Essentially making your 'opinion' that her 'opinion' has no ground to stand on....and invalid one.    So while you can certainly question it, debate it, argue it.   You cannot act as if it is unreasonable, illogical, or even has bad reasons for having it.

If the game is 98% 3D (Your words not mine) than what about that 2%?  Is she not allowed to really dislike that 2% that isn't 3D?    Again, you are saying her opinion is crazy, absurd, has no basis to be made because it stands in directly opposite to yours.

 

In otherwords, You can't say her opinion on this matter is incorrect or false because you cannot prove it. And they aren't horrible reasons. Mario is a cartoony game.  Some people will love that (And have), some people will hate that (and have).  Super Mario Galaxy 2 has 2D parts (True or false?)  That might be too much 2D for someone.  (Again which would validate her dislike for it.).

 

I think Nintendo fans upset by this need to get over it.  She doesn't like the game.  That doesn't mean she has some weird bias against Nintendo or anything absurd like that.  It means she is disappointed for a myriad of reasons with the Mario series.   I actually agree with that notion as well.