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lestatdark said:

Oh for crying out loud.

It's her actions that led to the entire situation of Sazh. 

It's her guilt that leads to the boiling point in chapter 8. "Shoot me" "You think I'd shoot you and everything would be sugar and rainbows" ring a bell?

It's these actions that lead to the sudden act of consciouness of Sazh that it wasn't Vanille's fault that Dajh became a L'Cie, but the Fal'Cie Kujata and that both of them were just pawns in the hands of the Fal'Cie

This realization led him to believe in the fight against the Fal'Cie and rejoin Lightning once more, which in turn lifted most of the guilt from Vanille's shoulders as well. 

How come this is any stretch? This is what happened in the game.

Vanille did not cause Sazh to see the fact that the fal'Cie were evil.

Vanille was being passive. Sazh figured out that she l'Cied his son. Vanille didn't tell him. Then Sazh decided that it wasn't Vanille's fault and then he became an active fighter against the l'Cie.

Vanille didn't influence the plot, she was just there.

But, maybe you think that since she was there she was vital. 



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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Vanille is awesome.

Only character that sucks is Hope (although he's still good as a party member)



Barozi said:

Vanille is awesome.

Only character that sucks is Hope (although he's still good as a party member)


I hate Hope as well.

Want to stab him in the face.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

Oh for crying out loud.

It's her actions that led to the entire situation of Sazh. 

It's her guilt that leads to the boiling point in chapter 8. "Shoot me" "You think I'd shoot you and everything would be sugar and rainbows" ring a bell?

It's these actions that lead to the sudden act of consciouness of Sazh that it wasn't Vanille's fault that Dajh became a L'Cie, but the Fal'Cie Kujata and that both of them were just pawns in the hands of the Fal'Cie

This realization led him to believe in the fight against the Fal'Cie and rejoin Lightning once more, which in turn lifted most of the guilt from Vanille's shoulders as well. 

How come this is any stretch? This is what happened in the game.

Vanille did not cause Sazh to see the fact that the fal'Cie were evil.

Vanille was being passive. Sazh figured out that she l'Cied his son. Vanille didn't tell him. Then Sazh decided that it wasn't Vanille's fault and then he became an active fighter against the l'Cie.

Vanille didn't influence the plot, she was just there.

But, maybe you think that since she was there she was vital. 

She was being passive? 

So she saying for him to shoot her, as a means to alleviate the revenge he felt for the situation was being passive? She was just there. 

The person that was indirectly responsible for his son situation, was just there. 

In that spectrum, then you'd also have to consider Sazh non-essential to that particular piece of plot, since he was also just there by a coincidence. I mean, it wasn't Dajh who sensed both of them in Nautilus, and it wasn't Jihl who used that as a means to bring a cleavage point in both of them. 

No, it all happened by pure coincidence. Also, it was coincidence that it was Vanille's willingness to sacrifice herself to seethe Sazh's rage that also led him to see part of the truth behind his son's demise. Yup pure coincidence. She was just being passive, looking at Frocobo and doing all those annoying things that you so much loathe and despise. 



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Let's hope the original poster doesn't read this argument, or anyone who hasn't finished the game.



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lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

Oh for crying out loud.

It's her actions that led to the entire situation of Sazh. 

It's her guilt that leads to the boiling point in chapter 8. "Shoot me" "You think I'd shoot you and everything would be sugar and rainbows" ring a bell?

It's these actions that lead to the sudden act of consciouness of Sazh that it wasn't Vanille's fault that Dajh became a L'Cie, but the Fal'Cie Kujata and that both of them were just pawns in the hands of the Fal'Cie

This realization led him to believe in the fight against the Fal'Cie and rejoin Lightning once more, which in turn lifted most of the guilt from Vanille's shoulders as well. 

How come this is any stretch? This is what happened in the game.

Vanille did not cause Sazh to see the fact that the fal'Cie were evil.

Vanille was being passive. Sazh figured out that she l'Cied his son. Vanille didn't tell him. Then Sazh decided that it wasn't Vanille's fault and then he became an active fighter against the l'Cie.

Vanille didn't influence the plot, she was just there.

But, maybe you think that since she was there she was vital. 

She was being passive? 

So she saying for him to shoot her, as a means to alleviate the revenge he felt for the situation was being passive? She was just there. 

The person that was indirectly responsible for his son situation, was just there. 

In that spectrum, then you'd also have to consider Sazh non-essential to that particular piece of plot, since he was also just there by a coincidence. I mean, it wasn't Dajh who sensed both of them in Nautilus, and it wasn't Jihl who used that as a means to bring a cleavage point in both of them. 

No, it all happened by pure coincidence. Also, it was coincidence that it was Vanille's willingness to sacrifice herself to seethe Sazh's rage that also led him to see part of the truth behind his son's demise. Yup pure coincidence. She was just being passive, looking at Frocobo and doing all those annoying things that you so much loathe and despise. 

YOu're blowing what I'm saying HUGELY out of proportion.

HUGELY.

It wasn't all coincidence. (Although "She was just a there" is a bad choice of words)

BUT she didn't MAKE Sazh see the fal'Cie were evil, Sazh saw it for himself.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Fab_GS said:

Let's hope the original poster doesn't read this argument, or anyone who hasn't finished the game.


I'm sorry for the massive spoilers, but both me and Dtewi had pointed out that we would be giving them. 

Quite frankly, after this time, FFXIII spoilers are pretty much everywhere. And people always get angry about spoilers, be it whatever game it is. I was flamed once for giving spoiler about Super Mario RPG, even though the game is out for more than 10 years.



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lestatdark said:
Fab_GS said:

Let's hope the original poster doesn't read this argument, or anyone who hasn't finished the game.


I'm sorry for the massive spoilers, but both me and Dtewi had pointed out that we would be giving them. 

Quite frankly, after this time, FFXIII spoilers are pretty much everywhere. And people always get angry about spoilers, be it whatever game it is. I was flamed once for giving spoiler about Super Mario RPG, even though the game is out for more than 10 years.

Nah, don't worry.

But make sure you don't post anything spoilerific about Chrono Trigger in these two weeks, though.



dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:

Oh for crying out loud.

It's her actions that led to the entire situation of Sazh. 

It's her guilt that leads to the boiling point in chapter 8. "Shoot me" "You think I'd shoot you and everything would be sugar and rainbows" ring a bell?

It's these actions that lead to the sudden act of consciouness of Sazh that it wasn't Vanille's fault that Dajh became a L'Cie, but the Fal'Cie Kujata and that both of them were just pawns in the hands of the Fal'Cie

This realization led him to believe in the fight against the Fal'Cie and rejoin Lightning once more, which in turn lifted most of the guilt from Vanille's shoulders as well. 

How come this is any stretch? This is what happened in the game.

Vanille did not cause Sazh to see the fact that the fal'Cie were evil.

Vanille was being passive. Sazh figured out that she l'Cied his son. Vanille didn't tell him. Then Sazh decided that it wasn't Vanille's fault and then he became an active fighter against the l'Cie.

Vanille didn't influence the plot, she was just there.

But, maybe you think that since she was there she was vital. 

She was being passive? 

So she saying for him to shoot her, as a means to alleviate the revenge he felt for the situation was being passive? She was just there. 

The person that was indirectly responsible for his son situation, was just there. 

In that spectrum, then you'd also have to consider Sazh non-essential to that particular piece of plot, since he was also just there by a coincidence. I mean, it wasn't Dajh who sensed both of them in Nautilus, and it wasn't Jihl who used that as a means to bring a cleavage point in both of them. 

No, it all happened by pure coincidence. Also, it was coincidence that it was Vanille's willingness to sacrifice herself to seethe Sazh's rage that also led him to see part of the truth behind his son's demise. Yup pure coincidence. She was just being passive, looking at Frocobo and doing all those annoying things that you so much loathe and despise. 

YOu're blowing what I'm saying HUGELY out of proportion.

HUGELY.

It wasn't all coincidence. (Although "She was just a there" is a bad choice of words)

BUT she didn't MAKE Sazh see the fal'Cie were evil, Sazh saw it for himself.

I'm not blowing this out of proportion. 

I can dictate her the entire dialogue, starting from the fight against Brynhildr to the end of Chapter 8, but I won't. Thread has too many damn spoilers as it is. 

You can easily look up youtube videos for it. 

And it's pretty easy to see that Sazh's realizations were directly affected by Vanille's actions. If he had been alone, he would have taken the other way out, just like he wanted to do. But he didn't. I guess that you also consider Vanille as to having no effect in that too.



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Fab_GS said:
lestatdark said:
Fab_GS said:

Let's hope the original poster doesn't read this argument, or anyone who hasn't finished the game.


I'm sorry for the massive spoilers, but both me and Dtewi had pointed out that we would be giving them. 

Quite frankly, after this time, FFXIII spoilers are pretty much everywhere. And people always get angry about spoilers, be it whatever game it is. I was flamed once for giving spoiler about Super Mario RPG, even though the game is out for more than 10 years.

Nah, don't worry.

But make sure you don't post anything spoilerific about Chrono Trigger in these two weeks, though.

I swear by Marle's butt-slap that I won't post any CT spoilers  



Current PC Build

CPU - i7 8700K 3.7 GHz (4.7 GHz turbo) 6 cores OC'd to 5.2 GHz with Watercooling (Hydro Series H110i) | MB - Gigabyte Z370 HD3P ATX | Gigabyte GTX 1080ti Gaming OC BLACK 11G (1657 MHz Boost Core / 11010 MHz Memory) | RAM - Corsair DIMM 32GB DDR4, 2400 MHz | PSU - Corsair CX650M (80+ Bronze) 650W | Audio - Asus Essence STX II 7.1 | Monitor - Samsung U28E590D 4K UHD, Freesync, 1 ms, 60 Hz, 28"