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Albion said:

Mabe at first, but. If 3rd party start building games for PS3 in mind and port to the Wii then the Wii player base will start feeling like second class.

If you look at sell chart 3rd party stuff has never really sold much on the Wii anyways, so its clear they will make games for the move first as Sony has much more success for them even though they only have a fraction of the consule on the market.

No this is not going to be good for the Wii. Nintendo making good games for itself will be the sole reason to have a wii. But i gess that already was the fact.

This will be the start of the end for the Wii. I dont even think lowering the cost of the consule will help them now. Thank god for there 1st party games and applications.

 

The PS3 being to expencive  will keep the wii alive until they can drop the PS3 down to arround 200$

 

 

So its time for Nintendo to go back to work and make the next big gaming inovation. I suggest they dont rush anything till they have something better then a puls reading device for the WiiMote. 

 

Third parties have done pretty bad on the Wii due to their own incompitency both in taking the Wii seriously and taking the audience seriously. If they can not succeed on the Wii, what makes you think they can succeed with Move or Natal.

The other thing is that lowering price is not going to help. Now, before I go on, remember this is a very tricky economic topic so bear with me. When price goes down for a good, demand does not increase, but quanitiy demanded does. What is the difference? When demand goes up, this means that people now want the good more then they did before. If there is a study that prove that peanut butter cures cancer, then demand will increase. When demand increase, consumers will demand more of the good at the same price level. With changes in price, it's not a change of how much they want it. Their mood, so to speak, is the same, just the price went up/down. When it goes down, they increase their spending of the good. With peanut butter 50 cents cheaper, the market wants more peanut butter. If the price does up by 50 cents, the market will want less peanut butter. For consoles, a decrease in price removes barries to buy the system. People buy it as they can more easily afford one. For price decreases, quanitiy demanded chances in an inverse relation with price, meaning when price goes down, quantity demanded (how much they buy) goes up, and vis versa for an increase in price. The relevance of this that droping price wont matter as all it does is convice people who were already interested in the system, not those who had little to no interest. Most of the Wii's current target market would not want to buy a PS3 or Move. In order to get them to buy it, they will need to increase demand which means putting out software that drives momentum. Sony has not released a game that has done this. The biggest sellers on the system are third parties, and their track record with motion games is really bad.

As for third party sales on the Wii, Iwata, at his last investor meeting showed a chart of third party sales minus Call of Duty MW2. The sales were actually lower for both systems and the Wii was above both. Last year, CoD:MW2 was the reason third parties sold more on the HD twins. This isn't good since most third parties can't release a huge hit like Modern Warfare. Thus, by averages, they sell better on the Wii. Iwata, remembering his statistics class, threw out an outlier.

So I don't think Sony or Microsoft can stop the Wii because they just don't have the ability to make games that can compete. This battle is a battle of software, and Microsoft and Sony have to bring more to the table then they ever had.



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They should have not used the disc format, or jumped to 3d graphics, or announced a "3D DS" after sony announced a 3D PS3 a year before hand.. because if they feel that "copying" is such a bad thing, they should stop being hypocrites.



 

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i thought last year he said it was flattering...



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man can't wait until Ninty copies the HD twins and go HD....how fun that would be

Anywho he is stealth trolling, simple as that but who knows, maybe his fears might come true...we will know within a year or so



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Did they seriously call Miyamoto a 'she' in that article?



 

puffy said:

Did they seriously call Miyamoto a 'she' in that article?


Yup that is why anything in the article is void.



Smashchu2 said:
Albion said:

Mabe at first, but. If 3rd party start building games for PS3 in mind and port to the Wii then the Wii player base will start feeling like second class.

If you look at sell chart 3rd party stuff has never really sold much on the Wii anyways, so its clear they will make games for the move first as Sony has much more success for them even though they only have a fraction of the consule on the market.

No this is not going to be good for the Wii. Nintendo making good games for itself will be the sole reason to have a wii. But i gess that already was the fact.

This will be the start of the end for the Wii. I dont even think lowering the cost of the consule will help them now. Thank god for there 1st party games and applications.

 

The PS3 being to expencive  will keep the wii alive until they can drop the PS3 down to arround 200$

 

 

So its time for Nintendo to go back to work and make the next big gaming inovation. I suggest they dont rush anything till they have something better then a puls reading device for the WiiMote. 

 

Third parties have done pretty bad on the Wii due to their own incompitency both in taking the Wii seriously and taking the audience seriously. If they can not succeed on the Wii, what makes you think they can succeed with Move or Natal.

The other thing is that lowering price is not going to help. Now, before I go on, remember this is a very tricky economic topic so bear with me. When price goes down for a good, demand does not increase, but quanitiy demanded does. What is the difference? When demand goes up, this means that people now want the good more then they did before. If there is a study that prove that peanut butter cures cancer, then demand will increase. When demand increase, consumers will demand more of the good at the same price level. With changes in price, it's not a change of how much they want it. Their mood, so to speak, is the same, just the price went up/down. When it goes down, they increase their spending of the good. With peanut butter 50 cents cheaper, the market wants more peanut butter. If the price does up by 50 cents, the market will want less peanut butter. For consoles, a decrease in price removes barries to buy the system. People buy it as they can more easily afford one. For price decreases, quanitiy demanded chances in an inverse relation with price, meaning when price goes down, quantity demanded (how much they buy) goes up, and vis versa for an increase in price. The relevance of this that droping price wont matter as all it does is convice people who were already interested in the system, not those who had little to no interest. Most of the Wii's current target market would not want to buy a PS3 or Move. In order to get them to buy it, they will need to increase demand which means putting out software that drives momentum. Sony has not released a game that has done this. The biggest sellers on the system are third parties, and their track record with motion games is really bad.

As for third party sales on the Wii, Iwata, at his last investor meeting showed a chart of third party sales minus Call of Duty MW2. The sales were actually lower for both systems and the Wii was above both. Last year, CoD:MW2 was the reason third parties sold more on the HD twins. This isn't good since most third parties can't release a huge hit like Modern Warfare. Thus, by averages, they sell better on the Wii. Iwata, remembering his statistics class, threw out an outlier.

So I don't think Sony or Microsoft can stop the Wii because they just don't have the ability to make games that can compete. This battle is a battle of software, and Microsoft and Sony have to bring more to the table then they ever had.


Ok i dont think Wii owner need to worrie at all. Im a Wii onlyy owner myself and im very confident.

but Dont you think Nintendo's going to start losing the Hardware sells, because of this? (ok i know they are well ahead) But this is a right step for them to help  catch up.

As for the 200$ Ill re-fraise myself. Id buy a PS3 if it had motion tek and sold for arround 200$ right now! ATM

I gess seeing Prince of persia only sell some 18k copy's for Wii and Xbox and Sony selling well in the millions for the same title may have influenced me to lead to bad conclusions.

 

 

Now i think that this fight is one that Nintendo has already won, Its easy to imagine the future:

As PS3 and Xbox are selling there consule at lost for the next few years, and catch up with the Wii in market share ,

Nintendo can then launch a new at par consule processing wise and actually make money out of it, with motion and a new next  gen gizmo and start all over again.

So again Sony and MS will make a gaming box thats so high end they will have to sell at lost and so the circle of game consule will go on!.

So In other words this is like witnesing 2 dumbies and a monkey.Haha just wanted to add a jk in there for fun.

 

Thx for clarifying things for me. Was nice reading your reply.



leo-j said:

They should have not used the disc format, or jumped to 3d graphics, or announced a "3D DS" after sony announced a 3D PS3 a year before hand.. because if they feel that "copying" is such a bad thing, they should stop being hypocrites.

Whom did they copy when they implement disc format, 3d graphics and announce 3DS? Sony, you say? It's like car manufacturers are copying some supposed inventor of the wheel nowadays ^_^



Perhaps Miyamoto is concerned about the fact that once the competition gets motion controls, there will be less unique characteristics to set the current consoles apart from one another. This was pretty much the case with the last generation consoles. The Gamecube, Xbox, and Playstation 2 were very much alike and didn't have too many unique characteristics besides some exclusives.