Says the guy who likes Tales of the Abyss, one of the worst.  In every category.  

Anyway, I agree that some of them didn't have *enough* development, but they certainly had much more unique personalities overall.  Just cause Regal wasn't on obnoxious asshole like Luke doesn't mean he had no personality.  He was just a subdued and quiet person.  Do you only like characters who are loud asses? 

Presea had a great story and of course it took a while for her to regain her personality!  My god do you reject anything that might make you think or feel emotions past the basic "LOL KILL PEOPLE?"  Yeah, lets make all characters into mindless killing machines and ass holes like Luke!  Then games will be great!  Or maybe characters can be like Sora and have no thoughts past "Save my friend" for two hole games.  Because god forbid any characters have some internal conflicts!

As far as Collete goes, she was an interesting character and provided great comic relief.  At least she had some unique personality traits.  Whether you liked them or not is another matter, but thank god not everyone is as cookie cutter as you want them to be. 

Also, you consider Tales of Phantasia music good??? Cause Fighting of the Spirit is a truly original score!  They play 4 tones over and over in midi.  Yeah, man, what genius.  Right up there with Nobuo Uematsu.  

Well that's also my thought, that they probably never had the chance to do such an important game, but still, it gives a little piece of doubt, although not a big one.

I didn't know that there are several Tales teams, I thought that some (not all of course) were made by the same team and that those were the best games, like Symphonia or Abyss. But that was probably just a mind trick of myself. It seems kind of clear anyways that there is no Tales team because the actual team went away from Namco after they made Phantasia. They are called tri-ace now and are known for the Star Ocean series...

@Soriku: I can't believe that you have beaten ToS so many times but never played ToP!!! You really should do that, Phantasia is a great game (although not as good as ToS, it suffers from its age imo) and because it's the only other game playing in the same universe as ToS also very related to it.

Must be Team Symphonia then, I think what I read was that ToS:KoR is made by the same developers as the original ToS.

Presea went through years of emotional trauma. To expect her to repair all of that in the course of a single game is unrealistic. I'm not saying it was the best personality ever, but it was an interesting story behind it and there was good reason for her subdued nature.

Oh come on, you can do better than that. Half of your argument is just Luke, and I never actually mentioned him at all before.

But now that we're on the subject, yes, I do like Snarky bastards to an extent. At least, I like Snarky!Hero more than Stupid!Hero (Lloyd), and Snarky Luke was a whole better concept than Emo Luke. I liked Ryudo in Grandia II.

It didn't take Presea awhile to regain her personality - because she never did. She had like 2 or 3 fits of human emotion the entire game. That doesn't sound like taking awhile to regain your personality, that sounds more like a personal problem. I suggest she seek professional for why she feels human emotions once every 3 weeks.

Collete wasn't that interesting, and she was only funny like two or three times (Raine had comic relief down much better). She had NO business falling down after every dungeon for two whole discs. Seriously, there's being clumsy and then there's throwing your ass on the ground like an attention whore. Damn heifer already has wings, what else does she want?

And yes, Phantasia > Uematsu, and Symphonia agrees, as it made painfully clear by using a Phantasia theme again for the Ratatoskr Knight trailer. Uematsu had maybe 3 or 4 good FF soundtracks (FF6 and 9 included) and the rest were mediocre. Worse offenders probably being FF7, seriously, people keep orgasming over One Winged Angel when the only thing they can understand in the entire track of people screaming in latin is "SE-PHI-ROTH!" The bad midi makes my ears bleed. Of course, Uematsu had to prove that he continues to improve with time, so he goes on board SSBB with theme made of...more people screaming in latin. You've certainly outdone yourself Uematsu, sir.

Okay, I'm willing to let the debate of characters go as your (awful) opinion, but now you are trying to claim that Uematsu is a bad composer.  That's just ridiculous.  Also, you think One Winged Angel is his best song?  You have no knowledge of FF music at all.  Have you ever played FF games? 

I want to avoid this war, but let me say just one thing: TOS has one of the best character development in RPG story. It is sad no one mentioned the skits, with 300+ skits you get to know the personality of minor characters like Regal. What about the one where he made a joke about cooking with his feet or the one where Presea plays with Corrine. Those characters are not unidimensional or previsible (come on, no one could imagine Regal making jokes). Some aspects are only know thru skits (like Sheena feelings for Loyd and Kratos and Loyd relationship).

This whole argument is like Naznatips+one other intelligent person vs. a massive amount of over-biased, idiots, with Soriku just randomly having J-RPGasms along the way.

this guy knows whats up

What are you on tonight? It's like you're paying attention maybe halfway and then argue from that point on.

I never said Uematsu was a bad composer, I even mentioned some of the soundtracks he did that I liked. This is exactly what I said:

Obviously I don't think One Winged Angel is one of his best songs if I'm listing FF7 as one of his worst offenders. This is almost as far out in left field as when I said I liked the improvements Abyss made to Symphonia's battle system and you started bashing Luke. No one said anything about Luke. It's like you were saying that the Symphonia cast being sub-par is okay because Luke is a mean bastard. I'm sorry, what?

And how the hell did we get on Uematsu anyway? What in the world does he have to do with Tales?

All I know is that this argument is confusing and I want to play Tales of Innocence.