You avoid debating with me... because I find a way to be right.   No offense, but when people keep finding a way to be right in debates with me, I consider the fact that I may be wrong.  It's easier that way because then I can change my opinion and be right.  You can find proof on this on this very subject where i'm sure I've argued before that opinions can't be wrong on this board... until I had a very interesting conversation with soemone where i realized opinions actually can be wrong. 

Either way... I think Magic Johnson is the greatest basketball player, and can provide enough facts to make a credible arguement out of it.   I wouldn't begrudge anyone who said Michael Jordan or Bill Russel was the greatest either.

Damon Jones though... no.  Or a less insulting comparison.  Kobe Bryant.

Miyamoto is by any objective measure I can see the greatest developer.  I could see arguements for a few others, like Will Wright, Sid Meyer and even the guy from Farmville.

As for Naughty Dog... there just is no credible arguement for it for "best developer in the world" unless you use some VERY heavy qualifiers.  Like "best graphical console developer."  Which were not used.  More on that in the next post though.

The main difference here though is the difference between "Greatest" and "Favorite."

They are two very different things that two many people combine because they treat their opinions as universal truth.

Because you like a game best isn't even remotely a valid arguement for why someone or something is the best.

Most people who think Michael Jordan are the best can't freaking stand him... because he destroyed their favorite teams.

Wilt Chamberlin scored 100 points in one game.

http://www.nba.com/history/wilt100_moments.html

Spin?  There is no spin needed.

It's disproven by their being no credible criteria in which to consider them the best.

Just like their is no credible criteria in which to consider Damon Jones the best.

For those agreeing... they've actually put forth no arguements on to why they consider them the best.

Looking at their catalogue is really all the proof you need.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naughty_Dog#Games

Lets break down this catalogue.

The first 3 games are of little note.

Then you've got the Crash Bandicoot Games... games that were second/third best when it came to the 3D platformers of their time if your generous.

Jak and Dexter.... once again a series that was generally widely overshadowed by the like of Insominiac.

Then Uncharted 1 &2.

Any attempt to claim they were the best would have to be soley on the Basis of Uncharted and Uncharted 2 since there were many "above" them in prior years in their specific genres.

Even furtherso based pretty much on JUST Uncharted 2 being the only game with GOTY consideration.

That's like... well the afore mentioned claiming Wilt Chamberlin is the best center ever because he scored 100 points in one game or Kobe Bryant's 80.  Bill Russel was better and playing at the exact time.

Uncharted 2 set a record for most GOTY awards (though partially because of the rapid increase in GOTY awards.)

A huge feat... however it's just 1 feat... for Developers like Miyamoto, Wright and Meyer... the list of accomplishments roll out the door.

he is the best. long live mickael jay fox

i scored 105 in high school in one game, but that was PE.

And Wilt Chamberlin was playing in the NBA when he scored 100.

while im sure ND is a fantastic developer and one of the best, i disagree. that honor goes to nintendo IMO.

While I don't see eye to eye with everything he says, the israel thread for example, he is 100% right in this case. You just don't like it because it flies right in the face of what you have been preaching on these forums.

And you are the guy who thinks that all opinions are the same and here are no inferior and superior opinions. How can YOU be taken seriously at all. I know I'm not old at all, but I have seen the world, so maybe you should too and you will change your mind as well. Used to think like you back when I was 17/18 and before I got out and saw the world.

If your A guy who thinks there are differences between 'OPINIONS" , then you are gravely mistaken...it's called an 'opinion' for a reason..not fact

So is YOUR opinion < A game developers opinion ON another game developer? Cuz if there ever is a clear case of inferior opinion this would be a great example..good thing is not many think that way ;)

And btw spouting petty insults about age yada yada yada doesn't exactly prove a point...other than the point that you yourself act the way you blame others cuz such words are by no means are 'mature' ... trust me ;) even my grandpa will tell ya that and he is like 90 now

oh and btw if your so frustrated that another is not agreeing with your superior 'opinion'...take a chill pill and avoid these threads..cuz opinions are in abundance in da interwebz as I hear