Don't worry i'm not biais against japanese if you check my game I prefer japanese game (Nintendo ,Capcom etc) and I really like touhou and their japanese fan video from niconico (english video too). Also for me the english version of japanese games are good too my ear so I think it will be a good idea to stop fighting because is just a matter of opinion. Your chocobo avatar is cute.

I prefer French dubs over english ones on TV/movies, and in video game I prefer English. Did you heard arnold schwarzenegger in English? It's awful. Most of the TV shows and movie are better in French IMO (I said IMO). The Simpsons is the best example. Tney speak like we speak in Quebec. In games, the french often sounds weird (mirror edge), but can be damn good too (fallout 3).

I said japanese voices sound bad. I never said they were bad voice actors, but they sound bad IMO. You said that Western voice actors are awful. So far, it's only opinion.

After that, you said that japanese were more professional and all that. That's when it turned bad. You need proofs for facts. I always put opinions, I didn't tried to put facts in the arguments, you did. So you need proofs if it's not opinions.

BTW I wouldn't be an ass if you tried to be more polite and less snob.

I just read your previous post up here and again it's opinion. If you can't speak or understand the language without subtitles, you can't say if it's good or bad. You just like the way it sounds. Maybe you can 'hear' expressions, but that's it. If a japanese guy plays RE1, maybe he'll find the voice actors good, because he don't speak english, so he can't ear the bad voice acting. It just sounds good.

First, I didn't say or think that English was stronger in Québec 20 years ago.

Here's where I think you misunderstood what I said:

"The younger generations , those born in the late 70s, the 80s and later, have a much better understanding than the rest and many are even bilingual but they are not the norm.  I don't know who you are trying to fool here."

What it means is that the younger generations I mentioned were born in an era where bilinguism is on the rise.  But I already illustrated how this rise isn't that big when you only take the natively French speaking people, which were the center of my argument to begin with.

Now, I didn't not talk about the localization process.  I only mentioned Voice acting work and the overall difference in quality from both sides.  Stating that the quality is more consistent in Japan than it is in the West.  Providing comparison data is impossible at this point in time as none exist.  But as Rutea7 (she's a girl, by the way) and I pointed out, the fact that the trained voice actor pool is significantly bigger there than in the west is indication enough to understand the impact it can have on the final results.  For people who can understand both languages, most of the time they will stick to the original Japanese version, mentioning the quality of the acting at almost every turn.  You can call those people "vendus" or "weeaboos" but you'd do that only in ignorance of what they're talking about since you don't understand the language yourself.

Just take you, I_Hate_Itagaki and me for example.  I'd wager we all prefer to play our games and watch our movies in English rather than in French.  And this is mostly because the quality of the French voice acting is usually not on par with the English versions.

I'll post more later, whenever I find something more consistent to illustrate my points.

P.S. : The argument could go both ways though.  You could provide proof that Japanese voice acting isn't of better quality overall than what is found in occident. ¬_¬

@ I_Hate_Itagaki: Je peux très bien lire tes torchons.  Le verdict reste le même:  c'est vide.  Retapes tout ça en anglais et on s'en reparle après? ^_-

since you have a wii you must be aware of the TERRIFYING arc rise fantasia english dub, just because you havent played a game with a lousy dub doesnt mean that some dubs are just terrible work that can be easily outshined (or even tramped upon) by any lousy fandub.

i'll get a lot of cr*p for this but i hated the dub for ffx, it was terribly annoying. granted it was the first ff to have voice overs we can cut some slack but it's still terrible apart from a couple of voices.

in this generation of gaming that kind of LOUSY and poor localisation work is just sad, it's not like we just started having the japanese games localised.

not looking for a fight just saying my opinion. it cant be changed and i dont need to show you sources, everyone here has seen videos of lousy voice overs.

I know they are really bad dub but also good one ,

resident evil umbrella & darkside chronicle, RE 5, Silent Hill , soul calibur , tekken , metal gear,  some dynasty or samurai warrior voice, final fantasy etc. Generaly when a jrpg game is in anime style the english voice seem to suck (I don't really play jrpg game) IMO

I never once claimed that Western voice actors are awful as a generalization.  I said a lot of the voice acting work (for whatever reason) isn't on par with what is found in Japan from a consistence point of view.  Many of them are rather embarassing, as made evident by the many examples already given in this here thread.

I invite you to find videos pointing out some really poorly done English voice acting in games and do the same for Japanese games.

This alone is support enough of my points so far.

jrpgs are usually the genre that suffers the most, probably due to really long text.

Hynad and i were debating that it might also be related to short deadlines.

I think one of the main reason is money, all the big game or franchise got good english voice (generaly) because the compagnie (SE-Capcom-Konami) got big wallet. But I heard that star ocean was not really good so it's a little confusing