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Solid_Snake4RD said:
perpride said:
umm....anyone who knows how much FFXIII has sold and still says that it has flopped doesn't have any idea what they are talking about.

mnay who are saying that don't mean flop in technical english word meaning but in the sense that it didn't perform upto expectations

then they're expecations were too high. I'm almost 100% sure that even Square knew that they were exhagarating when they said it would outsell FFVII.

Times have changed. RPG's (not Pokemon) have a hard time selling in general. This is especially true with JRPG's nowadays. In a generation when Lost Odyssey and White Knight Chronicles haven't hit a million sales yet, FFXIII is the best selling RPG. There is no flop in that, only hate coming from haters.



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perpride said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
perpride said:
umm....anyone who knows how much FFXIII has sold and still says that it has flopped doesn't have any idea what they are talking about.

mnay who are saying that don't mean flop in technical english word meaning but in the sense that it didn't perform upto expectations

then they're expecations were too high. I'm almost 100% sure that even Square knew that they were exhagarating when they said it would outsell FFVII.

Times have changed. RPG's (not Pokemon) have a hard time selling in general. This is especially true with JRPG's nowadays. In a generation when Lost Odyssey and White Knight Chronicles haven't hit a million sales yet, FFXIII is the best selling RPG. There is no flop in that, only hate coming from haters.

Actually, this is only true on consoles in Japan for the most part.  Though there've been a few exceptions there too (MH3, DQ Swords, Atelier Rororna, etc).  And really, WKC did pretty well in Japan too, almost on par with Rogue Galaxy.

In Japan, RPGs are doing better than ever on handhelds.  DQ is up.  Pokemon is up.  MH is way, way, way up (and now bigger than FF).  And legitimately new IPs like Inazuma Eleven are doing fantastic even.



CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
I guess it depends on how you look at it. It did sell 4million, which is good.

I, myself, would say it did bad though. When compared to the other Sony FF, it sold the worst (even under X-2). And sales for the US were rather low for it. It was also said to put the PS3 on the map, but it didn't. You may also question how much was lost on this game, and could they have made more money doing other things in the 4 years it took to develop.

Your problem is you don't look at the big picture.

FFXII first week - 2.8mill

FFXIII (PS3) first week total - 2.7mill

If we take that into account, especially considering the userbase difference (if we want to go that route), FFXIII has performed very well (remember, this is without the inclusion of 360 sales). A nice chunk of "would be PS3/FFXIII owners" have 360s and bought it there instead. But looking at the totals, FFXIII is going to outperform XII with ease.

Between the two, it could reach 7mill, which would put it in FFX territory (meaning the 360's sales account for the splitting of the userbase). The sales are good and will exceed both XII & X-2.

Edit: XIII (altogether) has already topped X-2.

My bad, didn't include 360 sales.

The thing is first week means nothing anymore. You never look at first week for success because it is not a good indicator of success or long term results. Too often do games have a strong 1st week and then just drop off. Mario Party 8 is a good example. And Carnival Games. And let's not forget about Just Dance. It is just not relevant.

You have to take into account that compaired to other FF, it's not preforming as well, esspecially as ot was claimed to do so much. It's sales are good, but I consider it a failure in the context of other FF games.

 

"Other" FF games have their lifetime totals in. FFXIII is still selling, when the dust settles FFXIII will have performed welll, relative to current gen circumstances.

if you look at the current gen,then all games are also selling very well

 

and don't tell me that this is not an RPG genereation and so it didn't sell well

 

 

FF13 sold well but not according to the expectations and the hype,it just underperformed.and remember there were price cuts for FF13 after 2nd week

lifetime totals might be big but the profit is reduced from price cuts

A. Looking at all games, no, all games haven't done well.

B. I'm not sure what your second sentence nmeans, or how it relates to anything I've posted.

C. I don't recall many predicting much higher than current sales. (5mill for PS3, 2 mill for 360). Both are likely to reach those targets.

D. Completely irrelevant.

What!? Are you insane? That is the sole reason these companies make video games. Why else would they do it?

I'd suggest reading the entire post. You have a tendecey not to. Just do it this one time.

I wasn't the one who seggmented his post, you did that. Why shoukld I follow your advice whwen you don't follow it yourself.

Still doesn't disregaurd the fact that profits are always relevant. Remember that sales are only one side of the equation.

It's one thing to say it sold less than previous ones. Yes it has. One also needs to consider that those had years to sell, most the sales are earlier but it is by no means all of them.

Yeah, but most of the sales were in the first few weeks. We are at the point to where time is not an issue. To put it into prespective, FF12 sold 83% (4,765,000) of it's sales in the first 10 weeks. If we apply this to FF13, then it shoudl sell about .91 million more, making it 6.259. Given however, we are past the first 10 weeks.



CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Smashchu2 said:
I guess it depends on how you look at it. It did sell 4million, which is good.

I, myself, would say it did bad though. When compared to the other Sony FF, it sold the worst (even under X-2). And sales for the US were rather low for it. It was also said to put the PS3 on the map, but it didn't. You may also question how much was lost on this game, and could they have made more money doing other things in the 4 years it took to develop.

Your problem is you don't look at the big picture.

FFXII first week - 2.8mill

FFXIII (PS3) first week total - 2.7mill

If we take that into account, especially considering the userbase difference (if we want to go that route), FFXIII has performed very well (remember, this is without the inclusion of 360 sales). A nice chunk of "would be PS3/FFXIII owners" have 360s and bought it there instead. But looking at the totals, FFXIII is going to outperform XII with ease.

Between the two, it could reach 7mill, which would put it in FFX territory (meaning the 360's sales account for the splitting of the userbase). The sales are good and will exceed both XII & X-2.

Edit: XIII (altogether) has already topped X-2.

My bad, didn't include 360 sales.

The thing is first week means nothing anymore. You never look at first week for success because it is not a good indicator of success or long term results. Too often do games have a strong 1st week and then just drop off. Mario Party 8 is a good example. And Carnival Games. And let's not forget about Just Dance. It is just not relevant.

You have to take into account that compaired to other FF, it's not preforming as well, esspecially as ot was claimed to do so much. It's sales are good, but I consider it a failure in the context of other FF games.

 

"Other" FF games have their lifetime totals in. FFXIII is still selling, when the dust settles FFXIII will have performed welll, relative to current gen circumstances.

if you look at the current gen,then all games are also selling very well

 

and don't tell me that this is not an RPG genereation and so it didn't sell well

 

 

FF13 sold well but not according to the expectations and the hype,it just underperformed.and remember there were price cuts for FF13 after 2nd week

lifetime totals might be big but the profit is reduced from price cuts

A. Looking at all games, no, all games haven't done well.

B. I'm not sure what your second sentence nmeans, or how it relates to anything I've posted.

C. I don't recall many predicting much higher than current sales. (5mill for PS3, 2 mill for 360). Both are likely to reach those targets.

D. Completely irrelevant.

What!? Are you insane? That is the sole reason these companies make video games. Why else would they do it?

I'd suggest reading the entire post. You have a tendecey not to. Just do it this one time.

I wasn't the one who seggmented his post, you did that. Why shoukld I follow your advice whwen you don't follow it yourself.

Still doesn't disregaurd the fact that profits are always relevant. Remember that sales are only one side of the equation.

It's one thing to say it sold less than previous ones. Yes it has. One also needs to consider that those had years to sell, most the sales are earlier but it is by no means all of them.

Yeah, but most of the sales were in the first few weeks. We are at the point to where time is not an issue. To put it into prespective, FF12 sold 83% (4,765,000) of it's sales in the first 10 weeks. If we apply this to FF13, then it shoudl sell about .91 million more, making it 6.259. Given however, we are past the first 10 weeks.

You missed the entire purpose of the quote and I see no reason to go back over it. The point got across to those that were paying attention.

However, i can see that arguing with you is pointless. You cherry pick back and fourth and never really get the relevance of a topic, or spin it to your liking. Knowing this, I won't quote/reply to you in the future.

What point? You just split his into one into 4. What point could there be anymore? Do you really think you got the idea of his post?

Read his post again. It strings together. The last point was relevant because he said "FF13 sold well but not according to the expectations and the hype,it just underperformed.and remember there were price cuts for FF13 after 2nd week" It's not irrelevant because he was arguing profits. You, for some reason, didn't think it was relevant despite that fact is point is very relevant (why cut revenue to sell more when you'll lose?). Cherry Picking is were you look at one or two ideas and hone in on those rather than look at the big picture. All of his short point string into one another, so you were cherry picking by segmenting them. You really don't know what you type half the time.

 

I was never looking at all the points anyway. Just comenting on that one. That's why it's highlighted.