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A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales



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AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

Check the date. It's from 2004.



Fab_GS said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

Check the date. It's from 2004.

ff10 came in 2001. We knw ff games dnt have big legs beyond their first year or 2 year. so u wnt me to believe they shipped over 1.5 Million + copies more of it? yeh right...



AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

why did u say u agree? I dnt agree with anythng ur saying. The franchise tht is made prettier, costlier with more hype each gen is called Dragon Quest, not final fantasy. ff changes everytime, they try to experment, sumtimes it works (FF13, FF8) sumtimes it dusn't work (FF12).

when i sed ff15 I assumed it will be out this gen at end of console cycle.



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AkibaFan said:
Fab_GS said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

Check the date. It's from 2004.

ff10 came in 2001. We knw ff games dnt have big legs beyond their first year or 2 year. so u wnt me to believe they shipped over 1.5 Million + copies more of it? yeh right...

Final Fantasy always has legs in the West. Final Fantasy XII was still selling 1-2k every week last year!



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outlawauron said:
AkibaFan said:
Fab_GS said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

Check the date. It's from 2004.

ff10 came in 2001. We knw ff games dnt have big legs beyond their first year or 2 year. so u wnt me to believe they shipped over 1.5 Million + copies more of it? yeh right...

Final Fantasy always has legs in the West. Final Fantasy XII was still selling 1-2k every week last year!

bt tht wud jst give it 50K - 100K for 1 year. hw did they ship xtra 1.5 million?



AkibaFan said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:
A203D said:
Yeah i can imagine FF12 was supposed to be released a lot sooner than 2006/2007, sakaguchi was the executitive producer for that, which explains why it took so long, because he left sqaure around that time i believe.

about FF10: 10 million, it did do extremely well, but do you think FFXV could reach that? it would be awesome for an FF title to reach that height again. oh and why do you guys think FF10 didnt sell 10 million??

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

why did u say u agree? I dnt agree with anythng ur saying. The franchise tht is made prettier, costlier with more hype each gen is called Dragon Quest, not final fantasy. ff changes everytime, they try to experment, sumtimes it works (FF13, FF8) sumtimes it dusn't work (FF12).

when i sed ff15 I assumed it will be out this gen at end of console cycle.

What are you talking about?  The only game in the Dragon Quest lineup that has ever tried to shoot for 'high end graphics' is Dragon Quest VIII.  And even then, putting Dragon Quest VIII on the PS2 was hardly a decision for the graphics; the PS2 being the weaker of the three consoles last gen.  All the Dragon Quest games were not shooting for high end graphics at all.  Its Final Fantasy that went for the high end graphics, as a way to distinguish itself from other RPGs.  Even Sakaguchi and Kitase themseles have stated part of the emphasis of Final Fantasy is its 'heavy focus on the cinematic feel'.  And it worked for quite a while.  It just doesn't work as well now as many RPGs have caught up to it in graphical capabilities and focus on cutscenes.  Especially in the west. 

But in terms of Dragon Quest trying to be a graphical powerhouse, that's never been its MO.  It focuses more on gameplay, character interaction and exploration.  In fact, Dragon Quest IX even went on the less costly and less graphically powerful system, the DS.  Yes, it may be one of the best looking games on the DS, but it still chose the DS over the 'HD systems' for better publicity and sales.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.



A203D said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
AkibaFan said:

ff10 didnt get 10 million because evn though it is seen as classic nw, when it relesd ther ws lots of negativty about it & ppl sed it wsnt as gud as ff9, ff8 & ff7. so word of mouth stpped it getting to 10 million.

I thnk FF10 is overtracked here, on wikipedia it has link to investor report saying FF10 has shipped 6.6 Million.

FF15 won't. RPG's dnt sell tht much anymore. FF15 wnt even sell more than FF13 which will do betwn 6 - 7 Million. Expect ff15 to do ff9 level sales

FF10 also didn't get to 10 million because its not as big of a series as Square thinks it is.  And none of the following games have.  They do this every gen.  They try and make a bigger and better Final Fantasy and think it'll sell just because they made it prittier and threw more money and hype behind it.

And I agree.  In the next gen, they'll probably try to do the exact same thing.  Make an even MORE expensive game to try to build up the hype again from what they lost with FFXIII...and instead, it'll only sell 3/4 the amount of FFXIII.  Because instead of focusing on what's important, they'll just completely change everything again.

On that last point, i dont think sqaure will ever let this type of thing happen again. i'm not saying FF13 is a bad game, but i am saying that i dont think they'll make a game like that again. it wasnt recieved as well by western reviewers as they had hoped. and it has 3 stars out of 5 on amazon japan, and thats out of 2000 japanese fans, which is their home market. so i'm hoping they realise what they have to focus for the next one. also hopefully it will be helmed by a different team, not Kitase, Toriyama, Normora etc, so it wont neccessarily be another expensive cutscene fest.

the reason i think that FF15 could hit the 8-10 million mark, is because of assassins creed 1&2, i know they're not RPGs, but they have similar elements, like character driven narrative, and a strong single player story driven game. and thats why i think theres a market out there for this type of game.

No tht is confirmed before launch. Wada sed ther wont be a FF like FF13 evr agen before the game came out (he said this in october 2009)

He sed FF15 will go in complete diffrnt direction, I think it will be like WRPG. 

Assassins creed is also sandbox game, so it has sum GTA crowd in its mrket so sold well. Ther no doubt FF13 sales hve been very gud, it will be top selling console RPG in a few weeks, bt in japan FF13 underperformed by a lot.

But I hope FFXIII-2 is made then, for me ff13 is one of the best, i wnt more ff games in its wrld.

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